F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Jul 8, 2016
... as in "Pew Pew Pew" panel, By Tech. Sgt. Steve Stanley, Air Combat Command Public Affairs / Published June 21, 2016:
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LOL 'Pew Pew Pew' was probably too much, as now
“If we didn’t suffer a few loses, it wouldn’t be challenging enough, so we’d have to go back and redo it. So there are some threats out there that make it through because of their sheer numbers and the advanced threats that they’re shooting at us. So we have had one or two losses so far in our training,” he
[Lt. Col. George Watkins, 34th Fighter Squadron commander]
said.
inside Red Flag gives F-35A its toughest test yet
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Wednesday at 10:55 PM
Monday at 10:12 PM
and here's what AirForceMag had to say 1/31/2017:
Trump Claims Lot 10 F-35 Savings

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now "Through the president's intervention, a total of 90 planes -- for a lot of 90 planes, 55 were purchased for the U.S. military that added up to a total of $455 million savings for U.S. taxpayers from the previous lot with an average cost reduction of 7.5 percent. Another big win that the president has delivered on for U.S. taxpayers." says
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Pentagon, Lockheed reach agreement on F-35 contract for 90 jets
The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin have come to an agreement on the tenth lot of F-35 joint strike fighters, with the per-plane cost on the most common F-35A model dropping below $100 million for the first time.

The announcement was made by White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer, breaking the tradition of announcing Pentagon contracts after the market has closed. Lockheed’s stock received a modest bump on the news, up $1.91 from the opening bell as of publication.

Since his election, President Trump has focused an unusual amount of attention on the F-35, which included calling for a competition between the jet and the F/A-18 Super Hornet via Twitter. Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis followed through on that idea Jan. 27, ordering a review of the F-35C model, which will be used by the Navy, versus the Super Hornet.

Trump on Monday claimed that he had gotten the price of the F-35 down by $600 million, a drop analysts were quick to point out was in the works before his election. But in what may be a savvy political move, Lockheed has not been shy about embracing Trump’s claim, noting in a statement that “President Trump’s personal involvement in the F-35 program accelerated the negotiations and sharpened our focus on driving down the price.”

Despite the widespread agreement from the aerospace sector that the costs were coming down regardless of Trump's intervention, Spicer directly gave credit to Trump for the deal, saying, "Through the president's intervention, a total of 90 planes -- for a lot of 90 planes, 55 were purchased for the U.S. military that added up to a total of $455 million savings for U.S. taxpayers from the previous lot with an average cost reduction of 7.5 percent. Another big win that the president has delivered on for U.S. taxpayers."

The contract, known as Low Rate-Initial Production lot 10 (LRIP 10), covers production for 90 of the stealth fighters. The Pentagon says the cost per plane represents more than a 60 percent price decrease for the conventional-takeoff-and-landing F-35A variant since the first LRIP contract.

For LRIP 10, the per-plane price of an F-35A model sits at $94.6 million (7.3% reduction from LRIP 9), an F-35B jump-jet model used by the U.S. Marine Corps sits at $122.8 million (6.7% reduction from LRIP 9), and an F-35C carrier version is at $121.8 million (7.9% reduction from LRIP 9).

As befits the largest overall customer for the stealth fighter, the U.S. Air Force makes up the majority of the procurement in this lot, but it also features an increasing number of international customers. Deliveries from this lot will begin in early 2018. Overall, the lot is made up of:

  • 44 F-35A for the U.S. Air Force
  • 9 F-35B for the U.S. Marine Corps
  • 2 F-35C for the U.S. Navy
  • 3 F-35B for UK
  • 6 F-35A for Norway
  • 8 F-35A for Australia
  • 2 F-35A for Turkey
  • 4 F-35A for Japan
  • 6 F-35A for Israel
  • 6 F-35A for South Korea
In total, the Lot 10 contract represents a $728 million reduction when compared to Lot 9. If Trump’s influence can be felt anywhere, it may be in the speed of the contract negotiation – Lockheed fought hard against the Pentagon’s cost goals in LRIP 9, to the point that the Pentagon unilaterally forced a contract on the company.
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Wednesday at 10:55 PM
now "Through the president's intervention, a total of 90 planes -- for a lot of 90 planes, 55 were purchased for the U.S. military that added up to a total of $455 million savings for U.S. taxpayers from the previous lot with an average cost reduction of 7.5 percent. Another big win that the president has delivered on for U.S. taxpayers." says
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Pentagon, Lockheed reach agreement on F-35 contract for 90 jets

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and let me squeeze the moment LOL!
DoDBuzz:
Lockheed Credits Trump as Price Per Jet Falls in Latest F-35 Batch
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The Defense Department announced an $8.2 billion deal for the latest batch of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters on Friday, known as Low Rate Initial Production 10.

President Donald Trump on Monday said he has been negotiating with Lockheed Martin Corp. officials to bring the cost down significantly since he became president-elect. “I got involved in that about a month ago,” he said during a meeting with business leaders at the White House. “There was no movement, and I was able to get $600 million approximately off those planes.”

In total, the latest contract represents a $728 million reduction from LRIP 9, Defense Department officials said.

The deal for 90 new Joint Strike Fighters marks the first time the price per
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variant for the
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will fall below $100 million, according to the announcement,
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The unit price for the service was reduced seven percent from the last batch of aircraft, amounting to $95 million per plane, the announcement said.

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variant price tags were reduced to $123 million and $122 million (roughly seven and eight percent, respectively) per aircraft in comparison to LRIP 9, announced in November, according to the Pentagon’s statistics.

Lockheed spokesman Bill Phelps on Friday said, “President Trump’s personal involvement in the F-35 program accelerated the negotiations and sharpened our focus on driving down the price.

“The agreement was reached in a matter of weeks and represents significant savings over previous contracts. This is a good deal for the American taxpayer, our country, our company and our suppliers,” he said.

Deliveries of 90 aircraft are set to begin in 2018, the DoD announcement said.

“The LRIP-10 contract is a good and fair deal for the taxpayers, the U.S. Government, allies, and Industry,” said Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan, F-35 program executive officer, in a statement. “We continue to work with Industry to drive costs out of the program.”

The stealth jet’s cost had been widely debated even before Trump began voicing concerns about the program’s cost overruns.
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on Dec. 22, “Based on the tremendous cost and cost overruns of the Lockheed Martin F-35, I have asked Boeing to price-out a comparable F-18 Super Hornet!”

Last week, Defense Secretary James Mattis
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of the F-35 and Air Force One programs with an eye toward reducing program costs. The review for the F-35, however, will solely focus on the Navy’s C model.

“Now that we know [Trump meant] just the C [version] … that’s been reality for years now,” Richard Aboulafia, vice president and analyst at the Teal Group, told Military.com on Jan. 27.

“The Navy hasn’t bought more than a tiny token … of Cs, and four times as many
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. You do the math … It’s a single digit percentage of the total program at best,” Aboulafia said.

The total C requirement is a 260-unit buy for the Navy, Lockheed spokesman Michael J. Rein told Military.com There have been 26 carrier variants delivered to the Navy as of December 2016, he said.

But the F-35’s cost has been steadily declining in recent years, even though it will make the history books as the Pentagon’s largest acquisition effort to date at nearly $400 billion to buy about 2,500 of the single-engine fighters for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.

In a recent
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, the F-35A, for example, has dropped from an average cost of $241 million per plane first ordered in 2007. That price translates to roughly $279 million today.

The LRIP 10 contract will distribute 44 F-35As to the Air Force, 9 F-35Bs to the Marine Corps and 2 F-35Cs to the Navy, with other planes going to the United Kingdom, Norway, Australia, Turkey, Japan, Israel and South Korea.

The Pentagon in November
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, dubbed LRIP 9, of $6.1 billion for 57 more F-35s after months of negotiations — a move that disappointed Lockheed officials.

“We didn’t agree on this contract, but the government just handed this on us,” an industry official close to the 18-month-long negotiated deal told Military.com at the time. “The government needs to recognize what an F-35 really costs for a fair fee.”

The government and Lockheed hadn’t signed a deal for a full batch of F-35s since 2014 before LRIP 9, which was also supposed to include LRIP 10. The source said the decision did not address fundamental issues in manufacturing the F-35s, such as risk assessment and delivery schedules.

Lockheed had a chance to appeal the decision by Jan. 31 — but let it slip by.

“We did not file an appeal under the Armed Services Board of Contract Appeals in the 90 days,” Rein said in an emailed statement
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. Rein added the company still has other options — to file a claim under the Contract Disputes Act, for example — but said a decision has not been made to pursue such alternatives, DefenseOne reported.
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I'm hearing a lot of hate building up specifically aimed at the F-35C at the moment. The 'anti-F-35' brigade, having realised they won't get the whole program cancelled, seem to have directed their campaign at a specific variant, the Navy's C model, as it is the furthest from entering service and has a few teething problems (mainly associated with the nose leg oscillating too much at the start of the catapult stroke leading to physical pain in the pilot's necks. The weight of the helmet might be a contributory factor too...)
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The underlying theme seems to be as usual an attempt to get the Super Hornet selected instead of the lightning (for international customers as well as the USN). The Super Hornet is an amazing aircraft to be sure, but it is the aircraft of today, not tomorrow. If the C is cancelled the USN will become the poor relation of the US armed forces in terms of capability, and would have to rely on it's 'junior service' the USMC to provide it's first strike aircraft (F-35B) on 'day one' of a campaign and follow up with 'bomb trucks', the Super Hornets.

We are of course talking about the future, i.e. five years from now and for the next three or four decades. The SH is a fine match for potential adversaries flying now, but this is about facing threats still in development. Back in the forties the Grumman Hellcat was one of the best fighters in the world, but how would the US have faced the future back then if they had said it was 'good enough' and cancelled new aircraft development? Into the sixties facing Mig 21s, 23s etc. with Hellcats? I'm exaggerating a bit but the point is still valid. Ten years from now the SH will still be a valid and viable frontline aircraft, but twenty years? Thirty years?

If the C is cancelled (and I truly hope not) then the only viable option for the USN would be to buy the B model and start integrating STOVL operations onto the big deck carriers (it has been done before, as far back as the mid 70s a USMC Harrier sqn was assigned to the air wing of the USS Franklin D Roosevelt on her final deployment and was able to fit in with the normal deck cycles quite easily. View attachment 36155

I think it's a 'manufactured crisis' myself, the naysayers have been trying to cancel the F-35 program for nearly two decades and have so far failed miserably. You can criticise the financial side of the program and the management of it, but the cold hard fact is the plane is amazingly capable. The guys who have flown it don't want to go into battle in anything else they have ever flown, including F-15s, F-16s, F/A-18s, Harriers, Typhoons, Tornados, you name it. These are seasoned veterans for the most part, and it's their own lives they are risking in combat. When they say THIS is the aircraft they want to have strapped to their backs when the fur starts flying, believe them.

If you want to put LockMarts management against a wall and line up a firing squad, that's an entirely different matter...

I'm happy Obi-Wan to hear some-one has arrived at the same sad conclusion about the USN as I have, in fact I'd go as far as to say the USN has an "institutional prejudice" against future generation "manned aircraft", the current crew have some odd fantasy that they have moved beyond manned aircraft. In fact their apparent success with the XB-47 seems to be a "wet dream come true??"

Now, they may have some grand strategy to allow USAF and Marine Corp to pay the price of admission with development costs in the early "lots", and then swoop in and make their purchase once the price has come down???? however, with the limited demand for the C, and their sad limited commitment to this very fine aircraft, designed and built very specifically to there specification.....

The B will never be the airplane the C already is, (I'm not saying the Marines won't love it to pieces), in fact the only reason to be building Ford Class aircraft carriers is the F-35C. Without a "Boat Load" of F-35C's the Ford class really has no reason for being, and if in fact they are not heavily populated with the C model, the Ford's will be "the Love Boat"

I'm anxious to see the QE II and Prince of Wales with their full complement of F-35Bs, and I know the USMC is loving the F-35B already, it will be a real disgrace if the USN doesn't maximize their effectiveness and their "survivability" with the F-35C.
 

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Now, they may have some grand strategy to allow USAF and Marine Corp to pay the price of admission with development costs in the early "lots", and then swoop in and make their purchase once the price has come down???? however, with the limited demand for the C, and their sad limited commitment to this very fine aircraft, designed and built very specifically to there specification.....

The B will never be the airplane the C already is, (I'm not saying the Marines won't love it to pieces), in fact the only reason to be building Ford Class aircraft carriers is the F-35C. Without a "Boat Load" of F-35C's the Ford class really has no reason for being, and if in fact they are not heavily populated with the C model, the Ford's will be "the Love Boat"

I'm anxious to see the QE II and Prince of Wales with their full complement of F-35Bs, and I know the USMC is loving the F-35B already, it will be a real disgrace if the USN doesn't maximize their effectiveness and their "survivability" with the F-35C.

BTW Navy has always been more sceptical for F-35C the service the less fevorable, USMC don' t have choice exist only one STOVL...
 

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US orders much less B/C than planned about 3 years ago but not definitive numbers Congress can fund add easy at less 5 -10 in more and have do, a big lot for Aussies, small for UK.

44 F-35A for the U.S. Air Force initialy planned 47
9 F-35B for the U.S. Marine Corps initialy planned 15
2 F-35C for the U.S. Navy initialy planned 6

3 F-35B for UK
6 F-35A for Norway
8 F-35A for Australia
2 F-35A for Turkey
4 F-35A for Japan
6 F-35A for Israel
6 F-35A for South Korea
Total LRIP 10 : 90 : 55 US + 35 foreign
 

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BTW Navy has always been more sceptical for F-35C the service the less fevorable, USMC don' t have choice exist only one STOVL...

Actually the Marines do have a choice, and they have choosen to maximize the F-35s effectiveness and the speed with which they acquire it. the Navy has choosen to "roll back" their purchases and minimize the "disruption" of new Technology in the F-35. I have been warning of this little "attitude for the last several years, though the Navy may have an excuse with their trouble with the Ford and Zumwalt class, as well as littoral combat ships???

Make no mistake, Naval Aviators are as excited about this airplane as their Marine counterparts, but the Navy has an entrenched bureaucracy at the top, that really is NOT looking for the cutting edge in aviation as they struggle to get the Ford and the Zummie up to speed??

and this is not throw off of BD Popeyes Navy, this is a rather new development, some of this is an embrace of unmanned aircraft, a mistake in my opinion, but the F-35 is the Future, and the C model may the most important of all the versions, the Navies ability to project 5 gen formidable airpower will be the game changer in the Far East.
 
this is interesting:

"But the JPO did not reveal the total price of the contract in a 3 February news release, and the numbers available conflicts with the per-unit prices.

The office estimates the total contract value for just the air vehicles at $8.2 billion. Pratt & Whitney previously received a $1.5 billion contract in July for F135 engine procurement for lot 10 and a $157 million contract the previous year for long-lead components. That adds up to $9.8 billion for airframes and engines in Lot 10, or about $950 million more than the $8.9 billion value available in the JPO's news release. The JPO could not immediately explain the discrepancy."

dated 03 February, 2017:
Lockheed finalises deal for 90 F-35s, claims $728M savings
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while posting on that deal Yesterday at 10:32 PM I noticed there wasn't the total price quoted inside

now "Through the president's intervention, a total of 90 planes -- for a lot of 90 planes, 55 were purchased for the U.S. military that added up to a total of $455 million savings for U.S. taxpayers from the previous lot with an average cost reduction of 7.5 percent. Another big win that the president has delivered on for U.S. taxpayers." says
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Pentagon, Lockheed reach agreement on F-35 contract for 90 jets

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and I'm wondering if quote unquote savings amount to 455m (Spicer Yesterday at 10:32 PM)? 600m (Trump Monday at 10:12 PM)? 724m (Yesterday at 11:01 PM and inside FlightGlobal right above)? EDIT more? LOL

let's wait and see
 
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