F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

[Jura The idiot]

"WHO LET THE DOGS OUT", I would post a link to that little pop/rap ditty of a few years ago, look it up on you tube.

A very smart guy who during his senate hearings displayed the "KOOL" that got him to the top, a true "thinker", he has already defended the necessity of the F-35, it is as he says "indispensable", and it will keep our carriers relevant and deadly to "bad boys"!

I'm already sleeping better at night, knowing Trump has "Mad Dog" on point! I'm gonna love this.

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... you sure? "Meanwhile, the joint strike fighter program review opens up the possibility that the Navy could replace a portion of its F-35C buy with advanced Super Hornets instead — a boon to Boeing and a major hit to Lockheed."
Mattis Orders F-35, Air Force One Reviews to Cut Cost of Programs

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[Air Force Brat]

... you sure? "Meanwhile, the joint strike fighter program review opens up the possibility that the Navy could replace a portion of its F-35C buy with advanced Super Hornets instead — a boon to Boeing and a major hit to Lockheed."
Mattis Orders F-35, Air Force One Reviews to Cut Cost of Programs

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Yep, Sick em Mad Dog! Yeppers, the Navy might do that? (remember they passed on ATF, but the Marines and the USAF won't make that mistake! The Marines are SOLD! they are lovin their airplane so much, they are doing a "Far East Tour!"

CNO Richardson may well do that, Ray Mabus let lots of opportunity pass?? It won't be the smart thing to do, Jammin is awesome, but, it won't save your bacon, now Jammin and 5gen, that's no doubt the way to go!

Oh, me an "Scout" loved the video so much, the Honey Badger and the twins, not so much???

 

[Jura The idiot]

Yep, Sick em Mad Dog! Yeppers, the Navy might do that? (remember they passed on ATF, but the Marines and the USAF won't make that mistake! The Marines are SOLD! they are lovin their airplane so much, they are doing a "Far East Tour!"

CNO Richardson may well do that, Ray Mabus let lots of opportunity pass?? It won't be the smart thing to do, Jammin is awesome, but, it won't save your bacon, now Jammin and 5gen, that's no doubt the way to go! ...

this calls for the questions why the USN wouldn't use those "mini-AWACSes" (EDIT borrowing from
Brumby again) for jamming, and will instead use the Growlers for jamming?
(the question kinda assumes the USAF and USMC will use those "mini-AWACSes" for jamming ... but they will, right?)

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Mattis Orders Separate Reviews of F-35, Air Force One Programs

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F-35C vs Super Hornet. It’s on !

Just one day after the first F-35C Lightning IIs

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at Naval Air Station Lemoore, California, to begin populating the US Navy’s West Coast fifth-generation inventory, the future of the carrier variant (CV) Joint Strike Fighter has been thrown into doubt.

In a memorandum to his deputy, the Secretary for Defense James Mattis calls for a ‘detailed assessment’ of the F-35 program to reduce costs. The Deputy Secretary for Defense will head up a review to ‘determine opportunities to significantly reduce the cost of the F-35 program.’

Making good on a pre-inauguration promise from Donald Trump, the same document calls for a parallel effort to compare the operational capabilities of the F-35C variant with the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. This will involve a study into an F-35C alternative based on the so-called Advanced Super Hornet concept previously pitched by Boeing. The assessment will review the practicality of fielding a ‘competitive, cost effective fighter aircraft alternative.’

Change of fortunes?

The Fiscal Year (FY) 2015 and 2016 budgets contained no request for additional Super Hornets or EA-18G Growlers. Both came at a time when the Boeing company was facing the potential closure of its production line. Yet in each year, despite the initial budget submitted by the Department of Defense, the US Navy submitted an unfunded list of priorities requesting additional aircraft: 22 Growlers in FY 2015 and 12 Super Hornets in FY 2016.

Through diligent efforts by Boeing and a Congressional realization of naval aviation strike-fighter and electronic attack needs, at least a portion of these requests were ultimately funded by Congress and passed into law. Fifteen Growlers were funded in FY 2015, while 12 aircraft — seven Growlers and five Super Hornets — were funded in FY 2016.

The FY 2017 budget, released on February 9, 2016, formally requested two Super Hornets, using Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) funds. The Navy also indicated in its budget that it would buy 14 Super Hornets in FY 2018. However, these 14 jets were turned down by Congress.

With aging Hornet and Super Hornet fleets to manage, and with delays and ongoing problems with the F-35C program, Chief of Naval Operations ADM Jonathan Greenert has pointed to an emerging shortfall of between 24 and 36 strike fighters.

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Rewiew only for F-35C possible a good idea not much but these administrative things have also a cost.
And if the difference btw a Advanced Super Hornet and a more capable F-35C is small not intersting buy the less expensive the more important is waht need the warfighter.

Right now F-35C 130 millions Sup Hornet 70 recurring costs not fly awaay or with support i precise important the true price ... surely Advanced Super Hornet at less 80 - 85 and F-35C ordered in more big qty going for 110 mill

Hence the advantage of having two manufacturers that can compete with one another for MOD get a better deal, price US military" market " is enough big ! for have at less 2 constructors.

And confirmation

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But even with the improvements the basic design of the aircraft – the planform – of the Super Hornet isn’t as well suited to evading detection by radar like the F-35, Clark said.

“You’re kind of limited that you haven’t redesigned the aircraft to reduce the signatures,” he said.

While the Navy has continued to be committed to the JSF in public, internally, the service has more than once considered reducing its F-35 buy as a bill payer for other service needs during budget deliberations. The Navy is also faced with a growing near-term strike fighter shortfall that could be mitigated with the purchase of additional F/A-18 E/F in the short term.

How the review will inform guidance to the Navy in the future is still unclear, but as costs for the F-35s continue to come down the carrier F-35Cs could be priced to be more competitive with the advanced F/A-18 E/F

“If you’re saving just $10 million an airplane it might not be worth switching horses midstream,” Clark said.

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[Air Force Brat]

And confirmation

You don't need a "War Chariot" unless you've got a "War Horse" to pull it, those carriers are no doubt "War Chariots",,, but if you eliminate the F-35C from the stable, you have effectively rendered the Ford class useless in the very Hostile 5gen anti-aircraft environment. If you or Greenert or Trump were to cancel the F-35C and replace it with the "Advance Hornet", you have effectively rendered the Ford class as old slow "oxcarts" and the F-18 is the "OX".

Its not the J-20, FC-31, or PAK-FA that we have to worry about, its the very highly developed S-300, S-400, and S-500 that are beginning to "proliferate" around the world? for instance on Hainan Island, and all those little spits of land that China is currently developing and arming in the SCS. Samo, Samo, in Syria, Crimea, and all around Europe! Those anti aircraft batteries are very, very cheap to buy compared to a full on 5gen fighter aircraft, so its an economic war to begin with. The much cheaper F-18 on the other hand will be easily overwhelmed in that hostile air environment, and I doubt anyone would send those aircraft and their pilots to what will no doubt be a 50/50 chance of mission/aircraft loss???

The Navy is in love with the idea of autonomous aircraft to operate off those carriers, but even stealthy autonomous aircraft will die in great numbers, because they are nowhere near the capability or capability of manned aircraft.

The F-35C is currently the most important aircraft in the Navy, as only the F-35C will be able to pull the weight of those Ford class in a meaningful way. We are going to deploy our carriers to the real "hot spots", we need an aircraft that will be able to act as CAP, and that more importantly will be able to "project power" with its organic air arm! That won't be likely if you're trying to rely on last centuries success story, and no doubt the F-18, and Super Hornet have been and continue to be a great success.

The F-35C is the only Naval Aircraft currently on inventory that will ensure this continued success, the opposition has moved ahead and the threat is growing, our little games in the desert have depleted our resources, and provided a sufficient distraction that we no longer have our "eye on the ball"??

 

[Jura The idiot]

You don't need a "War Chariot" unless you've got a "War Horse" to pull it, those carriers are no doubt "War Chariots",,, but if you eliminate the F-35C from the stable, you have effectively rendered the Ford class useless in the very Hostile 5gen anti-aircraft environment. If you or Greenert or Trump were to cancel the F-35C and replace it with the "Advance Hornet", you have effectively rendered the Ford class as old slow "oxcarts" and the F-18 is the "OX".

Its not the J-20, FC-31, or PAK-FA that we have to worry about, its the very highly developed S-300, S-400, and S-500 that are beginning to "proliferate" around the world? for instance on Hainan Island, and all those little spits of land that China is currently developing and arming in the SCS. Samo, Samo, in Syria, Crimea, and all around Europe! Those anti aircraft batteries are very, very cheap to buy compared to a full on 5gen fighter aircraft, so its an economic war to begin with. The much cheaper F-18 on the other hand will be easily overwhelmed in that hostile air environment, and I doubt anyone would send those aircraft and their pilots to what will no doubt be a 50/50 chance of mission/aircraft loss???

The Navy is in love with the idea of autonomous aircraft to operate off those carriers, but even stealthy autonomous aircraft will die in great numbers, because they are nowhere near the capability or capability of manned aircraft.

The F-35C is currently the most important aircraft in the Navy, as only the F-35C will be able to pull the weight of those Ford class in a meaningful way. We are going to deploy our carriers to the real "hot spots", we need an aircraft that will be able to act as CAP, and that more importantly will be able to "project power" with its organic air arm! That won't be likely if you're trying to rely on last centuries success story, and no doubt the F-18, and Super Hornet have been and continue to be a great success.

The F-35C is the only Naval Aircraft currently on inventory that will ensure this continued success, the opposition has moved ahead and the threat is growing, our little games in the desert have depleted our resources, and provided a sufficient distraction that we no longer have our "eye on the ball"??

bro I read your post twice and my take is this:
from what I figured, the theory should be

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(in the context of this discussion it would mean sending F-35C + EA-18G + F/A-18F against some high-profile target of the type you mentioned), but the reality = constrained budgets AND numerous other requirements AND the need to be ready NOW ('Where Is The Nearest Aircraft Carrier?'), so the USN tries to fill in the Hornets numbers, obviously

(Navy says it is plagued by shortfall in available fighter jets

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since the Growler+Hornet combination has been war-gamed etc., while F-35C true capabilities (and limitations: not a popular topic here hahaha) are unknown

EDIT
so
Two Birds In The Hand Are Better Than Three On The Roof

 

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You don't need a "War Chariot" unless you've got a "War Horse" to pull it, those carriers are no doubt "War Chariots",,, but if you eliminate the F-35C from the stable, you have effectively rendered the Ford class useless in the very Hostile 5gen anti-aircraft environment. If you or Greenert or Trump were to cancel the F-35C and replace it with the "Advance Hornet", you have effectively rendered the Ford class as old slow "oxcarts" and the F-18 is the "OX".

Its not the J-20, FC-31, or PAK-FA that we have to worry about, its the very highly developed S-300, S-400, and S-500 that are beginning to "proliferate" around the world? for instance on Hainan Island, and all those little spits of land that China is currently developing and arming in the SCS. Samo, Samo, in Syria, Crimea, and all around Europe! Those anti aircraft batteries are very, very cheap to buy compared to a full on 5gen fighter aircraft, so its an economic war to begin with. The much cheaper F-18 on the other hand will be easily overwhelmed in that hostile air environment, and I doubt anyone would send those aircraft and their pilots to what will no doubt be a 50/50 chance of mission/aircraft loss???

The Navy is in love with the idea of autonomous aircraft to operate off those carriers, but even stealthy autonomous aircraft will die in great numbers, because they are nowhere near the capability or capability of manned aircraft.

The F-35C is currently the most important aircraft in the Navy, as only the F-35C will be able to pull the weight of those Ford class in a meaningful way. We are going to deploy our carriers to the real "hot spots", we need an aircraft that will be able to act as CAP, and that more importantly will be able to "project power" with its organic air arm! That won't be likely if you're trying to rely on last centuries success story, and no doubt the F-18, and Super Hornet have been and continue to be a great success.

The F-35C is the only Naval Aircraft currently on inventory that will ensure this continued success, the opposition has moved ahead and the threat is growing, our little games in the desert have depleted our resources, and provided a sufficient distraction that we no longer have our "eye on the ball"??

Allow me eventualy if you need a very good boy with a huge readiness ! around 75 millions € haha

 

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F-35B but i get disapointed right now almost nothing for Red Flag17-1