F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

stardave

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The Yaks were purchased by LockMart in order to get a little more insight into the lift fans, so as unlikely as that may seem to some it works for me, and thats why if I were China I would purchase 50 or so Su-35s and 200-400 engines of same with OVT for the J-20. I'm certain LockMart paid full price, but it works, so remember the old Brat's original line, " it doesn't matter if you developed it , bought it, or borrowed/stole? it " If it works, use it". That why LockMart remains the greatest fighter factory in the world, they go after the tech, up the ante and max it out, "voila", thats what birthed the Raptor, and thats what it takes to be "top DOG". OH Yeah, and don't forget to smile the whole time!

You see, I absolutely have no problem with people buying/borrowing technology to move their own progress forward, like what Lockheed have done on Yak-141. But when it come to Chinese tech, as long as it have a slight connection with another country, people make it sound like that Chinese are incapable to come up with their own design, instead they have to resort to cheating, and this seems to be the predominant view of Chinese tech in the Western world.

The double standard is pretty amazing.
 

Equation

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

The Yaks were purchased by LockMart in order to get a little more insight into the lift fans, so as unlikely as that may seem to some it works for me, and thats why if I were China I would purchase 50 or so Su-35s and 200-400 engines of same with OVT for the J-20. I'm certain LockMart paid full price, but it works, so remember the old Brat's original line, " it doesn't matter if you developed it , bought it, or borrowed/stole? it " If it works, use it". That why LockMart remains the greatest fighter factory in the world, they go after the tech, up the ante and max it out, "voila", thats what birthed the Raptor, and thats what it takes to be "top DOG". OH Yeah, and don't forget to smile the whole time!

Wow, I didn't know that Lockheed Martin bought the Yaks at full price just to look at the lift fans, and then probably modify and design and came up with their new VTOL version for the F-35B.
 

stardave

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Wow, I didn't know that Lockheed Martin bought the Yaks at full price just to look at the lift fans, and then probably modify and design and came up with their new VTOL version for the F-35B.

The Russians didn't just bankrupt their nation on military spending for nothing you know, they indeed produced some very brilliant innovations in return.
 

Air Force Brat

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You see, I absolutely have no problem with people buying/borrowing technology to move their own progress forward, like what Lockheed have done on Yak-141. But when it come to Chinese tech, as long as it have a slight connection with another country, people make it sound like that Chinese are incapable to come up with their own design, instead they have to resort to cheating, and this seems to be the predominant view of Chinese tech in the Western world.

The double standard is pretty amazing.

Well and thats why I say what I do, the Chinese are very bright and very perceptive, and their innovative space program is fair proof of that. While there is obviously a double standard, some of the concern of others has to do with "fudging on some licensing agreements, human rights, hacking into other peoples systems, things that those who play fair don't do, even when buying licenses from people with whom you have philosophical or political differences with, as I'm sure LockMart paid handsomely for the technology they bought with the Yaks. As you know there have been allegations that the F-35 tech was Hacked, now thats not something that would make your friends happy, kind of like my best friend, who hotwired my motorcycle and borrowed it, while I was on vacation, he wrecked it and bent the forks. Thats why I am a strong proponent of a US-Sino "friendship", the trust element and tech exchange would benefit the citizens of both countries, and I am absolutely certain that those who know such things, know the US has no ill intentions toward the Chinese people or their nation. So Yes I do agree with you, on the other hand people who wish to be percieved as equals and teamates, have to play fair all the time, not just when they feel so inclined, but even more importantly, when you don't. Well, my apologies if I have offended any, I regard you all as friends and brothers in arms, and gentlemen of the highest caliber, I have learned much from our exchanges, most importantly we prove daily that we can disagree and yet still respect one another, and you can all be assured that you have my utmost respect! Cheers Brat
 

Franklin

Captain
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One can even question the relevance of stealth the Serbs in 1999 was able to shoot down a F-117 Night hawk and damage another one. they able to track the Nighthawks by simply tinkering with the wave length of there 1960's vintage radar of there SA-3 Goa SAM battery.

Serb discusses 1999 downing of stealth

SKORENOVAC, Serbia-Montenegro (AP) — Col. Zoltan Dani was behind one of the most spectacular losses ever suffered by the U.S. Air Force: the 1999 shooting down of an F-117A stealth fighter.

Now, for the first time since that night six years ago, the former Serbian commander of an anti-aircraft missile battery has consented to speak publicly to Western media about the circumstances surrounding the unprecedented downing of a U.S. stealth plane.

The hit on the radar-evading plane on March 27, 1999, during the 78-day NATO campaign over Serbia, triggered doubts not only about the F-117s, but also about the entire concept of stealth technology on which the U.S. Air Force has based its newest generation of warplanes.

Military analysts debated how the planes would fare in a war against a militarily sophisticated opponent if an obsolescent air defense such as Serbia's could manage to track and destroy them.

In an interview this week with The Associated Press, Dani said the F-117 was detected and shot down during a moonless night — just three days into the war — by a Soviet-made SA-3 Goa surface-to-air missile.

"We used a little innovation to update our 1960s-vintage SAMs to detect the Nighthawk," Dani said. He declined to discuss specifics, saying the exact nature of the modification to the warhead's guidance system remains a military secret.

It involved "electromagnetic waves," was all that Dani — who now owns a small bakery in this sleepy village just north of Belgrade — would divulge.

The F-117 was developed in great secrecy in the 1970s. It entered service in 1983 but was not revealed officially until 1988. It saw its first combat in the 1989 invasion of Panama and was a star of the 1991 Gulf War.

"Long before the 1999 war, I took keen interest in the stealth fighter and on how it could be detected," said Dani, who has been hailed in Serbia as a war hero. "And I concluded that there are no invisible aircraft, but only less visible."

The F-117 was one of only two allied aircraft shot down in the war. The other was an F-16 fighter, which the U.S. Air Force said was also hit by an SA-3. Both pilots bailed out and were rescued by NATO helicopters.

Dani said his anti-aircraft missile regiment, tasked with the anti-aircraft defense of the Serbian capital, Belgrade, downed the F-16.

Several other NATO warplanes were damaged by missile hits but managed to struggle back to bases in neighboring Bosnia, Macedonia or Croatia. At least one is said to have ditched into the Adriatic Sea as it attempted to regain its base in Italy.

Despite NATO's near-total air supremacy, the alliance never succeeded in knocking out Dani's batteries.

The Serb SAMs remained a potent threat throughout the conflict, forcing attacking warplanes to altitudes above 15,000 feet, where they were safe from surface-to-air missiles but far less effective in a ground attack role.

NATO won the war in June 1999, after President Slobodan Milosevic decided to withdraw his largely intact army from Kosovo, following the destruction of numerous government buildings, bridges and other infrastructure targets throughout Serbia.

"The Americans entered the war a bit overconfident," Dani said. "They thought they could crush us without real resistance."

"At times, they acted like amateurs," Dani said, listing some ways the Serbs managed to breach NATO communications security, including eavesdropping on pilots' conversations with AWACS surveillance planes.

"I personally listened to their pilots' conversations, learning about their routes and bombing plans," Dani said.

Dani said that his unit has had annual reunions on every March 27 since 1999 when a cake in the shape of the F-117 is served.

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Jeff Head

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This is not about getting rid of the Italian Navy, but about giving up on an expensive and non-essential part of it.
And the social entitlement problem concerns Wall Street and the London City ( think LIBOR as just one example ) not the costs of helping to maintain poor people.
Delft, I'm not going to make this poiltical. I stated a fact, the countries are going to have to cut their costs and the largest portion is in those types of programs...by far. How they do, why they do it, etc., etc. is not part of the discussion here.

The fact that naval strength for any country, either maintiaining it, or lessening it, will depend on how they go about that was my only point...and I will stand on the belief that I do not believe the Italian Navy is going to cut both carriers.

Clearly their naval doctrine surrounds having that capability and they have learned in the past of its importance and do not want to repeat it. History has a way of repeating itself over and over again. yes we are more technicaly advanced and socially too...but the heart of mankind and the motivations...both for good and for bad...have not changed that much. That's why almost everytime someone truly evil comes along, many nations are found flatfooted and without what is necessary to either deter or stop agression...because they forgot the lessons of history.

So, while they will surely cut...I personally do not believe both carriers will be ont the block.

...which leads us back to the point of this thread. That's also why the Italians will continue in the JSF program. They may reduce it down to the needs of the one carrier...but they will need something to fly off that deck.
 

navyreco

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Is this a test of "static" weapon drops ?
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Jeff Head

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Is this a test of "static" weapon drops ?
Hmmm...from the pics, it sure looks like it.

Probabaly got the weights all just right and then have sensors all over the aircraft and mock munitions.

As someone said above, earlier on the thread, the US will figure out how to make the JSF a potent part of it's air capability...and in all three services.

It's a lot more like the F-16 for the air force concept, like the Harrier for the Marines, and like the original F-18 for the US Navy...which are all the principle aircraft it it meant to replace in US service.

It will be a potent strike fighter with the ability to mix it up if it has to, using both extrodinary weapons it will carry, an extrodinary sensor suite, and decent stealth and agility.

But it does that when it has to. It is principally a strike aircraft...although it will provide fleet air defense for vessels like the new
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aviation centric vessels when they operate in the Sea Control role.
 
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navyreco

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FARNBOROUGH: Lockheed ready to deliver UK's first F-35

Lockheed Martin (chalet D9-10, OE8) will deliver its first F-35 Joint Strike Fighter to an international customer on 19 July, with the UK to formally accept short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) test aircraft BK-1.

The milestone will take place at Lockheed's Fort Worth site in Texas, where F-35B BK-1 flew for the first time on 13 April. Following its acceptance, the aircraft will be flown to Eglin Air Force Base in Florida, where it will join a US-led initial operational test and evaluation programme for the F-35.

A second UK aircraft has recently undergone preparations to conduct engine runs at Fort Worth, and will be flown soon. Its delivery is scheduled for two or three months after BK-1, according to Steve O'Bryan, Lockheed's vice-president F-35 programme integration and business development. A third STOVL jet will be produced for the UK during the programme's fourth lot of low-rate initial production (LRIP-4).

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With all current aircraft involved in flight testing, training or operational test activities in the USA, O'Bryan says a decision on when to deploy the F-35 for its first appearance at a European air show will be "a government call".
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stardave

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Something puzzles me, F-35 have not yet finish development, and they are already mass producing them, and I assume those ones are only basic function ready, and not yet fully combat effective. I understand if they are producing them for the USAF, for training purposes.

But why are they producing it for other nations such as UK and Netherlands? What they going to do with the unfinished versions?

Also, I assume once the final testing is done in 2017-2019 they will retro fit all the ones that have been produced already, but how much will it cost them?
 
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