F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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The threat library, the data associated with it and how the sensors are able to fuse, analyse and determine the nature of the threat and bring it all together is complex and yet unproven. The data is meant to come from the intelligence community but gathering facts and data on your potential adversaries and their capabilities is not exact science and may require some guesswork. This is the space to watch in my view because it is when everything comes together and how situational awareness and sensor fusion is meant to work. The theme of the F-35 and all its high tech is to reduce the situational awareness of your adversary. What that means and to tie to Hostages comments that the F-35 is more stealthy is in my view based on the F-35 capabilities to track and classify threats; assess them and determine what is the optimum manner to deal with it in response i.e. in the form of IR, ECM, et al.
 

Silvestre

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I think people are over reading into this whole thing on the service extension with the F-18 and somehow it is because the Navy is not enthused about the F-35. I think there is a term that it used for this and that is they put 2 and 2 together and come out with 22. The fact as reported, the F-18 is being overly taxed and tasked with missions that is pushing their flying hours nearer to their service limit. This coupled with the F-35 being behind schedule in IOC against original timelines and also the need to balance the budget, some prudent and sensible management of existing resources are being undertaken. Realistically there is a projected resource gap and the most practical way to address it is service life extension. Accelerating in-service of F-35 is not even a practical solution besides even fiscally possible.

Like I saying. F-18 E/F is for Navy AND Air Force.

F-35 are for outlands sailors.

What I will with those.
 

Jeff Head

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Like I saying. F-18 E/F is for Navy AND Air Force.

F-35 are for outlands sailors.

What I will with those.

You do not know what you are talking about.

The F-35C is for the US Navy and US Marines. Right now, they are the ONLY customers. They will buy several hundred aircraft. No ("outland sailors)" will use it.

The F-35B is for the US Marines and to be used off of US Marine Amphibious assault ships. The UK and maybe others will also use it...but the US Marines will buy the most of the F-35B aircraft.

The F-35A is for the US Air Force who will buy, far and away, the most aircraft...but several other nations will also buy them. But not nearly in the numbers that the US Air Force will buy.

So, STOP with these inaccurate, ridiculous assertions about things you have clearly not studied or researched enough to know what they are even for.

As I have said to you before, Silvestre, do more research and less typing until you know more.

Do not post things you clearly have no knowledge of. It makes you look bad for one...and on SD where we pride ourselves in a professional environment...ultimately it will get you banned.
 
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the most recent progress report, very official (Office of the Secretary of Defense, FY2014 DOD PROGRAMS):
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at first glance looks like many pages of issues ... now I noticed the evaluators were careful hehe:
Due to poorer than expected initial reliability of many components,
the program has started to re-design and introduce new, improved versions of these parts.
Once a new version of a component is designed, it is considered the
production-representative version.
However, failed components may still be replaced by the old version
of the component in order to keep aircraft flying until the new version is produced in enough
quantity to proliferate to 100 percent of the fleet and supply stock.
During this transition period, only failures of the new version of the component are counted as relevant to the reliability metrics, because the old version is no longer considered production-representative.

This creates a situation where not all failures are counted in the
calculation of mean flight hours between reliability events, but
all flight hours are counted, and hence component and aircraft reliability are reported higher than if all of the failures were counted.
(p. 62, 24 out of 34 in the PDF; sorry about the formatting)

EDIT
oops, they also made a mistake LOL
test period on the USS Wasp in May 2015
 
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Jeff Head

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the most recent progress report, very official

(Office of the Secretary of Defense, FY2014 DOD PROGRAMS):

at first glance looks like many pages of issues ... now I noticed the evaluators were careful hehe:

(p. 62, 24 out of 34 in the PDF; sorry about the formatting)

Jura, the reports from these various offices that are directly attached to political appointees can be as political and veiled as a report that comes from an avowed detractor.

The fact is, different administrations view programs like this differently.

For example, this comment:

article said:
Due to poorer than expected initial reliability of many components, the program has started to re-design and introduce new, improved versions of these parts.

...is a comment that is written and worded so as give ammunition to and satisfy political supporters of the administration who are looking for reasons to discount such programs.

The fact is, that type of statement is true of any program...particularly a cutting edge program. It is not necessarily a negative statement of how things are going...except for the initial clause in the statement..

When you look at the details, it is clear that those components are not "so poor performing," after all, because they continue to use them as they seek to improve with newer designs.

This goes on in every project!

Throwing in the "performing poorer than expected," phrase is simply used to give ammunition to certain political supporters.

Sad...but a true part of life when you have civilian politicians in charge. That (having them in charge) is a VERY good thing...but it also brings along such baggage because they want to make sure that their constituencies and the various political action committees and groups that support them will continue to support them.
 

Air Force Brat

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Jura, the reports from these various offices that are directly attached to political appointees can be as political and veiled as a report that comes from an avowed detractor.

The fact is, different administrations view programs like this differently.

For example, this comment:



...is a comment that is written and worded so as give ammunition to and satisfy political supporters of the administration who are looking for reasons to discount such programs.

The fact is, that type of statement is true of any program...particularly a cutting edge program. It is not necessarily a negative statement of how things are going...except for the initial clause in the statement..

When you look at the details, it is clear that those components are not "so poor performing," after all, because they continue to use them as they seek to improve with newer designs.

This goes on in every project!

Throwing in the "performing poorer than expected," phrase is simply used to give ammunition to certain political supporters.

Sad...but a true part of life when you have civilian politicians in charge. That (having them in charge) is a VERY good thing...but it also brings along such baggage because they want to make sure that their constituencies and the various political action committees and groups that support them will continue to support them.

Yes, and the fact that if the new part is not available? they use the original design part to return the aircraft to service is indicative that they are airworthy parts even though the new part is designed to provide better service... so lots of smoke and mirrors in this present regime-- the old establishment Republicans seem to have all gone RINO as well, what a mess??
 
Jeff, AFB: I went through the report
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sorry if I misunderstood you ... did you consider the report unreliable because of the consequences of June 23 engine failure maybe?
 

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Jeff, AFB: I went through the report
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sorry if I misunderstood you ... did you consider the report unreliable because of the consequences of June 23 engine failure maybe?

Bruda, lots of folks have legitimate opinions on the F-35, pro or con, but there are people who live in the US who have never given a moments thought to our defense, or why we maintain a DOD. Many of them are "politicians" democrat, republican, independent, and wah-hoos???

someone mentioned John McCain--he is a massive "bloviator" as well as a former aviator, bless his heart for getting shot down, and interred in an NVA POW camp, and serving this country in the military--not denying that and God's richest blessing on him for that!

But he is constant "critic" of the F-35, F-22, and the list is long, but his "schtick" is he is a "budget hawk", he's not, he's just trying to feather his nest as a politician?? I voted for him for president and against BHO.

These "budget hawks" may be legit or they may be making political hay??? but they make a living "sniping" at legitimate DOD equipment that has so far by God's Grace?? kept us free, an in spite of many who seek to "enslave" us under social programs like "Obama care". My own president fined me 153.00 US that I worked hard for, because I lost my job and health insurance due to the affordable care act, but he made sure there is an "individual mandate" for insurance that I can't afford??? gotta love a socialist???
 
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