F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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:) in fact people around me know I'm pro-American so on multiple occasions "I was asked for comments" if you know what I'm talking about, in the pub or over the phone about failures (or "failures") of the US Military ... anyway, most recent from NavyTimes about F-35/F-18:
Officials extend F/A-18 Hornet service lives
The aging F/A-18 Hornet fleet will remain the bulk of the Navy's strike fighter power into the next two decades, forcing the service to extend the airframe's life from its initial 6,000 hours to 10,000 and possibly beyond.

About 40 F/A-18 A-D Hornets went through upgrades at Fleet Readiness Center Southwest in San Diego in the last fiscal year, according to Naval Air Systems Command statistics, and 50 more are scheduled for the current fiscal year.

Those revamped Hornets will stay in service as the Navy transitions to the F-35C Lightning II joint strike fighter in the next decade, with F/A-18 E/F Super Hornets remaining in squadrons through the 2030s, the Navy's air boss said in his first sit-down interview with Navy Times.

"[The Super Hornets] are kind of — I don't want to say gap-fillers — but they will be the biggest chunk of our carrier fleet through the middle to the end of the next decade," said Vice Adm. Mike Shoemaker, who took over Naval Air Forces Jan. 22. "So as we have used those legacy Hornets, we have had to extend their life to get through to when we can introduce JSF."

In 2014, the head of Navy Fleet Readiness Centers told Seapower magazine that plans were in the works to extend Super Hornets to 10,000 hours during fiscal '15, to keep them in service when the last of the legacy Hornets is retired in 2022.

Originally, Rear Adm. Paul Sohl said, the Navy "had an acquisition strategy to replace old F/A-18s with newer ones, and replace those with F-35s," but the strategy "got messed up."

The Navy has been the F-35's smallest customer so far, ordering two new aircraft for 2015, which lawmakers doubled to four. In the first seven years of production, the Navy has ordered 30 F-35s. The Navy has ordered four of the stealth fighters for fiscal 2016.

The Marine Corps, by contrast, requested six F-35Bs and the Air Force requested 26 F-35As, bringing their totals to 66 and 130, respectively.

Some experts, including Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia,
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is a symptom of ambivalence toward the F-35's high-tech advancements, including stealth capabilities.

Stealth has been a key selling point of the F-35, but the chief of naval operations doesn't appear to be overly enamored with it. Speaking recently about the yet-to-be designed, next generation carrier-based fighter, Adm. Jon Greenert argued that it must have a full spectrum of weapons, but "stealth might be overrated."

For his part, Shoemaker said he is eager to introduce F-35s. The Navy's fiscal year 2016 budget proposal doesn't include any more Super Hornets, though it does fund the legacy version's life extension.

"I am very excited about introducing the Lightning II into the fleet. I would like to do it sooner rather than later," said Shoemaker, an F/A-18C Hornet pilot. "I mean, this is not my choice to extend legacy Hornets. We are there because ... there have been some Navy-wide decisions on the procurement rate of JSF."

Budget constraints have limited the Navy's orders of both F-35s and Super Hornets, he added, prompting the Hornet overhauls to bridge the gap.

"But now we want to keep the current buy rates, and if there is a possibility to increase those a little bit, we will do that," he said.

Like a 'classic car'

The Hornet and Super Hornet, introduced to the fleet in the early 80s and mid-90s, respectively, can theoretically fly past their 10,000-hour life extension, but it's unlikely to happen, an FRCSW spokesman said.

"They were originally designed for 6,000 hours, they tested them for 12[,000], so going past 10,000 is probably not something they're going to do," Mike Furlano said.

FRCSW's commanding officer, Capt. Tim Pfannenstein, described the life extensions as inventory management, to make sure the Navy has enough strike fighters online to get it through the next two decades as F-35s trickle in.

"There's a requirement on the flight line," he told Navy Times on Feb. 25. "So if some aren't coming on time, we need to keep others in service."

Complicating the process, Pfannenstein said, is the fact that each aircraft is unique, and its parts are no longer available because the legacy Hornet is out of production.

"You can compare it to a classic car," he said.

Once engineers open up the hood, so to speak, each repair needs a custom solution.

One jet, Furlano said, had a crack in one of its bulkheads. Rather than manufacture an entirely new panel and spend the time taking the aircraft apart to install it, he said, the engineers created a brace in-house to cover the crack and support the structure.

According to Navy statistics, about three dozen squadrons are flying Hornets and Super Hornets, with Hornets slated to keep flying until about 2022.

"I would like, obviously, to get out of those as quick as we can, but the reality is we are going to manage that inventory to get through current buy rates," Shoemaker said.

Super Hornets will leave service around 2035.
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Brumby

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:) in fact people around me know I'm pro-American so on multiple occasions "I was asked for comments" if you know what I'm talking about, in the pub or over the phone about failures (or "failures") of the US Military ... anyway, most recent from NavyTimes about F-35/F-18:
Officials extend F/A-18 Hornet service lives

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I think people are over reading into this whole thing on the service extension with the F-18 and somehow it is because the Navy is not enthused about the F-35. I think there is a term that it used for this and that is they put 2 and 2 together and come out with 22. The fact as reported, the F-18 is being overly taxed and tasked with missions that is pushing their flying hours nearer to their service limit. This coupled with the F-35 being behind schedule in IOC against original timelines and also the need to balance the budget, some prudent and sensible management of existing resources are being undertaken. Realistically there is a projected resource gap and the most practical way to address it is service life extension. Accelerating in-service of F-35 is not even a practical solution besides even fiscally possible.
 

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I think people are over reading into this whole thing on the service extension with the F-18 and somehow it is because the Navy is not enthused about the F-35. I think there is a term that it used for this and that is they put 2 and 2 together and come out with 22. The fact as reported, the F-18 is being overly taxed and tasked with missions that is pushing their flying hours nearer to their service limit. This coupled with the F-35 being behind schedule in IOC against original timelines and also the need to balance the budget, some prudent and sensible management of existing resources are being undertaken. Realistically there is a projected resource gap and the most practical way to address it is service life extension. Accelerating in-service of F-35 is not even a practical solution besides even fiscally possible.

exactly right!
 

Jeff Head

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I think people are over reading into this whole thing on the service extension with the F-18 and somehow it is because the Navy is not enthused about the F-35. I think there is a term that it used for this and that is they put 2 and 2 together and come out with 22. The fact as reported, the F-18 is being overly taxed and tasked with missions that is pushing their flying hours nearer to their service limit. This coupled with the F-35 being behind schedule in IOC against original timelines and also the need to balance the budget, some prudent and sensible management of existing resources are being undertaken.
EXACTLY!

...and very well said.
 
more on F-35 CAS:
F-35 Will Not Reach Full Close-Air-Support Potential Until 2022
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pilots will have to wait until 2022 to fire the U.S. military's top close-air-support bomb after the Small Diameter Bomb II enters service in 2017, JSF officials explained.

The Small Diameter Bomb II (SDB II) is an upgrade from previous precision-guided air-dropped weapons because of its ability to track and hit moving targets from up to 40 miles. However, the F-35 will not have the software package required to operate the bomb loaded onto the fifth generation fighter until 2022, officials said.

The delay in getting the SDBII onto the F-35 will reduce the aircraft's ability to provide close-air support to ground troops. It plays a role in the debate over the aircraft's ability to adequately fulfill the mission of the
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if Air Force officials are allowed by Congress to retire the close-air-support aircraft.

Air Force leaders renewed their intent to retire the A-10 by 2019 in February with its budget proposal. Officials said the Air Force needs to transfer resources being used to support the A-10 over to the development of the Joint Strike Fighter. Air Force leaders have said the F-35 will be one of many aircraft that will backfill the A-10.

The JSF office has already discovered that the SDB II does not fit onto the F-35B -- the Marine Corps variant -- without modifications to the aircraft's weapons bay. The Pentagon is not in a rush to make those changes before the F-35B reaches initial operating capability this year because the weapon won't work until the right software package is installed.

"When we get to the Block 4's of the F-35s those are going to be great CAS (close air support) platforms -- when we get there. So we've got to continue to move down that with respect to the systems," Air Force Gen. Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle, Commander of Air Combat Command, told reporters March 6.

GPS and laser-guided weapons such as
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s have been around for decades, however, they have primarily been designed for use against fixed or stationary targets.

A key part of the SDB II is a technology called a "tri-mode" seeker — a guidance system which can direct the weapon using millimeter wave radar, uncooled imaging infrared guidance and semi-active laser technology.

"Really, in the close-in CAS fight, and the most challenging being danger close where you have adversaries and friendlies in very close proximity -- we have to be able to support the ground component at that point. We need the ability to deliver weapons rapidly. We need the high magazine, we need precision and we need to be able to control the yield," Carlisle said.

The SDB II recently completed successful live-fire testing and is slated to enter full-rate production later this year. Ultimately, the Air Force plans to acquire 12,000 SDB II weapons — which will enter service by 2017, service officials said.

Most of the testing of the SBD II thus far has been on an Air Force
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, however the weapon has been fitted and tested on the
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. Engineers are also working on plans to integrate the bomb onto the
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as well, Raytheon officials said.

The Air Force has done some electronics testing with the SDB II and the F-35A and done a successful "fit" test to ensure the weapon can be carried in the internal weapons bay by the aircraft, JSF officials said. However, the weapon will need the JSF program's 4a software drop before it can be operational on the F-35A – and that is not slated to happen until 2022.

The JSF program developmental strategy is, in part, grounded upon a series of incremental software drops," each one adding new capability to the platform. In total there are more than 10 billion individual lines of code for the system, broken down into increments and "Blocks," F-35 program office officials explained.

The Marine Corps short-take-off –and-landing variant of the JSF, the
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, is slated to reach operational status later this year with software block 2B. Block 2B provides basic close air support such as the ability to fire an AMRAAM (Advanced Medium Range Air to Air Missile), JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition) or GBU 12 (laser-guided aerial bomb), JSF officials said.

The Air Force plans to reach operational status with its F-35A in 2016 using the next iteration of the software, called 3i. Described as a technical refresh of Block 2B, 3i will also enable the aircraft to drop JDAMs, GBU 12s and AMRAAMs.

JSF officials point out that the F-35A will have substantial close-air support capabilities when it reaches full operational capability in 2018. This includes the ability to fire an internal gun and drop a range of munitions including AIM-9X weapons, AMRAAMs, GBU 12s, GBU 31s and the Small Diameter Bomb I.

The SDB II will be integrated with what's called JSF software Block 4a – a next-generation iteration of the software for the aircraft which service engineers are already working on.

Block 4 will be broken down into two separate increments; Block 4a is slated to be ready by 2021 or 2022 and Block 4B is planned for 2023. The first portion of Block 4 software funding, roughly $12 million, arrived in the 2014 budget,
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officials said.

Block 4 will also increase the weapons envelope for the U.S. variant of the fighter jet. A big part of the developmental calculus for Block 4 is to work on the kinds of enemy air defense systems and weaponry the aircraft may face from the 2020's through the 2040's and beyond, service officials explained.
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Brumby

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By the way what is "conventional" vs "non-conventional" CAS ??

I used these terms in the conversation about the provision of CAS by F-35 to differentiate between effectively a low end CAS mission in unconventional warfare e.g. against a Taliban in a pick up truck as opposed to the traditional role in conventional warfare and corresponding CAS. The cost per hour of a F-35 is close to $60K vs. an A-10 of approx. $18K and is disproportionally cost ineffective in using a high tech platform like an F-35 for low end missions regardless of its capability in providing CAS.
 

FORBIN

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No $60K about 25/30, F-16 20/25 agree for the reste as i have say light attack Scorpion more than interesting.

And with Block 4 i believe F-35 can carry internaly 6 AAM, 2 on the main hard point with an adapter, yes, no ?

F-35 AIM-120 x 6.jpg
 
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Brumby

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No $60K about 25/30, F-16 20/25 agree for the reste as i have say light attack Scorpion more than interesting.

Officially the number being quoted is $32K but this in my view is a PR number. The actual number will be much higher. Some of the issues are explained in the article below :
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The only comparable benchmark in my view is the cost per hour for a F-22A which is $68K as released by the comptroller's office and reported in the time magazine article. The F-35 will be high maintenance and subject to long downtime just like the F-22 (maybe worst because of the software complexities). We shall see.
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FORBIN

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New 5th generation fighter are more sophisticated logically more expensive to maintain, mainly for her stealth coating F-117 very very difficult, a little better for B-2 but only 10 operationnal on 20 and again update for F-22 but stay difficult you see technicians with special shoes sometimes making alterations...

And F-35C is the first stealth fighter operating in a marine environment, with salt, will require that the coating is very durable i don't know what is USN feeling after last test on the Nimitz, interesting to know it.
 

Jeff Head

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And F-35C is the first stealth fighter operating in a marine environment, with salt, will require that the coating is very durable i don't know what is USN feeling after last test on the Nimitz, interesting to know it.
I believe the F-35B may well actually be operating in that environment before the "C". The F-35B will be operating off of the Wasp and America class and will need the same provisions.
 
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