F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Jeff Head

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found something ... controversial :)
Jura, the rules are specific.

"No "what if" discussion about war, particularly nuclear war, between China and other nations, or between any nations. "

The F-35 is a controversial system as it is. Of course it was designed to fight.

But we do not need to generate more "controversy," on this thread, or need to "spice" things up in this way...particularly when the controversial discussion does a big "what if," about war between the US and China, where the rules say do not do that.

If you want to postulate on such capabilites, either:

1) Describe a scenrio that does not speicifcally call for US aircraft attacking the PLAN Liaoning. Make it a hypothertical STOBAR carrier and speak in generalities.

2) Find an article that does the above.

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FORBIN

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Contract for LRIP-8 has been agreed upon

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USA : 29 : 19 F-35A for the USAF, 6 F-35B for the USMC, 4 F-35C for USN
Others : 14 : 4 B for the UK, 2 A for Italy, 2 for Israel, 2 for Norway and 4 for Japan.

For US services same number as LRIP 7 but better was tipped 26 : in more 2 A and 1 C.
2 years between order and delivery. LRIP 5 the more big for USA : 32 fighters.

LRIP 9 initaly planned 42 : 30A and 12 B/C but was tipped 34/38. 57 for all countries.

Last first flights to Ft Worth for AF-56 and BF-38.
 

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Pricing for F-35s continue to drop as LRIP 8 is finalized:

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Sea Waves said:
Washington October 27, 2014 - The U.S. Department of Defense and Lockheed Martin have reached an agreement in principle for the production of 43 F-35 Lightning II aircraft. Officials anticipate the Low-Rate Initial Production lot 8 (LRIP 8) contract to be finalized in the coming weeks. The contract is for fiscal year 2014 with deliveries beginning in 2016.

Cost details will be released once the contract is finalized; however, in general, the average unit price for all three variants of the airframe in LRIP 8 is approximately 3.6 percent lower than the previous contract.

"Today's agreement is representative of the program's ongoing maturation," said F-35 Program Executive Officer, Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan. "Once production of LRIP 8 aircraft is completed, more than 200 F-35s will be in operation by eight nations. We are glad the Government and LM are completing a fair and reasonable contract for the 8th lot of aircraft."
The LRIP 8 contract procures 29 U.S. aircraft including 19 F-35As, six F-35Bs and four F-35Cs. It also provides for the production of the first two F-35As for Israel, the first four F-35As for Japan along with two F-35As for Norway and two F-35As for Italy. The United Kingdom will receive four F-35Bs. The contract also funds manufacturing-support equipment as well as ancillary mission equipment.

"Affordability is a key performance parameter in today's challenging acquisition environment." said Lockheed Martin F-35 Program General Manager Lorraine Martin. "Working together with our suppliers, we are making steady progress in reducing F-35 costs. While there will always be room for improvement, the results of the LRIP 8 negotiations and initiatives like the Blueprint for Affordability are indicative of our shared commitment to ensuring affordability."
Launched earlier this year, Blueprint for Affordability aims to reduce the price of an F-35 5th generation fighter to the equivalent of today's 4th generation fighters by the end of the decade. The initiative leverages upfront investments from key industry partners Lockheed Martin, BAE Systems and Northrop Grumman to drive down production costs. Cost savings from this initiative will begin in LRIP 9.

The LRIP 8 aircraft join 166 F-35s contracted under LRIPs 1-7. As of October 24, 2014, 115 F-35s, including test aircraft, were delivered from Lockheed Martin's production facility in Fort Worth, Texas. The U.S., eight Partner nations, and Foreign Military Sales participants have announced plans to procure more than 3,100 F-35 aircraft over the life of the program.
 

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Israel plans to buy a second batch of Lockheed Martin's F-35 stealth fighter jets, bringing its total number on order to about 44, Israeli defense and U.S. sources said on Tuesday.
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Israel bought 19 F-35s for $2.75 billion in 2010, a deal that included options for up to 75 planes. Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon, visiting the United States last week, placed a preliminary order for about 25 more F-35s, the defense sources said without elaborating on cost.

The first batch of planes is scheduled to arrive in Israel between 2016 and 2018, the sources said, noting that the second purchase needs final approval by an Israeli government panel.
 

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First 19 F-35A on order will be build in LRIP-8 : 2, LRIP-9 : 7 and LRIP-10 : 10.
 
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Pricing for F-35s continue to drop as LRIP 8 is finalized:

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that also says:
Bogdan also said he expects the Marine Corps will begin operational flights of the F-35B jump-jet variant next July as scheduled, followed by the Air Force in 2016 and the Navy in 2018.

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For actual price we see in the links above, i think minimum and without engine, for A/C want 18 mill $ I believe and B STOVL system very complex about 30.

Possible others price know about 1.5/2 times more, actually USAF buy A LRIP 6/7 with engines, support etc... 150 mill B want 200, C 200+ each
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Will change/udapte, software etc...for the 100 first no combat capable about 10/20 mill each.

But for 85 mill target price in 2019 for A with engines ?
 

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Israeli F-35 buy takes fleet to 44
By: DAN PARSONSWASHINGTON DC Source: Flightglobal.com 2 hours ago
Additional reporting by Arie Egozi in Tel Aviv


Israel has decided to increase its acquisition of Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II fighters by 25 aircraft, which will bring its fleet to 44 of the fifth-generation type.

The country’s second contract, which is not yet finalised, was approved in principle when Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon recently met with his US counterpart, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, in Washington DC.

Israel has already purchased 19 of the aircraft, at a cost of $2.75 billion. The first two F-35s are due to arrive in Israel by early 2017 and the rest should be delivered by 2018. The Israeli air force (IAF) plans to base the aircraft at Nevatim airbase in the southern region of the country.

The F-35's wings will be built in Israel by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Lt Gen Christopher Bogdan, the Pentagon’s F-35 programme chief, plans to visit Israel next week for the official inauguration of the wing production line. IAI will begin delivery of F-35 wings to Lockheed Martin in mid-2015.

The decade-long contract for F-35 wing production is part of Lockheed’s plan to share manufacturing cost and responsibility among its partner nations, although Israel is technically a foreign military sales customer under US law. The contract is worth up to $2.5 billion.

IAI has invested substantially in the advanced systems and technologies required to produce the wings since signing the contract in April 2013 and has established a dedicated production line to carry out the work.

Lockheed recently reached an agreement with the US government for the eighth lot of low-rate initial production (LRIP), which comprises 43 aircraft. This represents 29 of the type for the USA and the remaining 14 for international customers, including four for the UK, two for Norway, two for Italy, four for Japan and two of Israel’s initial buy of 19 aircraft.

As international partner purchases begin to be made, the price per aircraft – a perpetual concern – is meant to come down. Neither Lockheed nor the US government has released a figure for the LRIP 8 contract because it has not yet been finalised.

“Cost details will be released once the contract is finalised; however, in general, the average unit price for all three variants of the airframe in LRIP 8 is approximately 3.6 percent lower than the previous contract,” Lorraine Martin, Lockheed’s F-35 chief, says in a prepared statement.

LRIP 7, with conventional takeoff and landing engines – bought under a separate contract from manufacturer Pratt & Whitney – was worth $115 million per aircraft, so the 3.6% figure would mean lot eight should have unit costs of around $110.6 million.

The US Navy is set to begin testing of its carrier-based version of the Lightning II, the F-35C, aboard the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier on November 3 when an example will land aboard the vessel in the Pacific Ocean.
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44 Israeli F35AI's

Pentagon Acquisition Chief Doubts USMC’s July F-35 IOC Target

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Amy Butler
Wed, 2014-10-29 14:38
It is growing more and more likely that July 1, 2015, will not mark the initial operational capability (IOC) declaration for the F-35B desired by the U.S. Marine Corps.

Despite years of Pentagon officials fervently holding firm to the milestone, Pentagon procurement chief Frank Kendall is opening the door to a delay. "It is going to be hard to hold to the July date," Kendall tells Aviation Week in an Oct. 28 interview. "I am pretty confident we can meet the threshold by the end of the year. And we will make it as close to July as we can."

In May 2013, the Pentagon outlined the F-35 IOC plans for the Air Force, Navy and Marines, and officials have adamantly stuck to those plans in part to quell very vocal skeptics targeting the $400 billion program after its many overruns. The Marines have planned an "objective" IOC for July 1, 2015, with a "threshold" date in December 2015.

"Our position has not changed for the moment. We are still tracking to a 1 July IOC," says Capt. Dustin Pratico, Marine spokesman. "With that said, we are aware that there are risks to making that timeline. Throughout this process, there have been a sequence of separate pieces of the IOC effort that have moved out as late as October of 2015, and to date we have been able to create efficiencies in the process that have pulled the timeline back to 1 July."

Pratico says there are multiple planning models, and the current risk assessment for achieving the needed aircraft modifications and training work points to a mid-August IOC. "This is not the farthest overshoot we have seen and today we have a much better handle on what is required to manage the timeline," he says. "With all of that said, we concur with [recently retired USMC Commandant] Gen. [James] Amos and Mr. Kendall’s recent comments that there is some risk that we could IOC a few weeks after the target of 1 July, but we are well ahead of the threshold requirement of December 2015."

Marine IOC includes the first squadron, VMFA-121, with 10-16 F-35Bs and enough trained pilots and maintenance officials to deploy for war. The first F-35B unit is slated for its initial deployment in 2017 to Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni, Japan.

The Marines have maintained the most aggressive schedule among F-35 customers because of concern for its aging F-18s and AV-8Bs; F-35B development was prioritized over that of the Air Force and Navy variants earlier in the program to satisfy the Marines’ pressing need.

The service initially will use the fighter’s 2B software package, which is limited in capability, to conduct basic close air support and interdiction activities. Weapons included in the initial package are the AIM-120C7 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, Joint Direct Attack Munition and GBU-12 laser-guided bomb.

The likeliest culprit for missing the IOC date next summer is the time required to modify enough F-35Bs to the proper configuration, F-35 Program Executive Officer USAF Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan warned this fall.

This work is not made easier as the program is focused on returning the test and operational fleets to normal flying status after a June 23 F-35A engine fire prompted a temporary fleetwide grounding followed by limited flight operations pending an accident investigation.

The F-35 Joint Program Office and F135 prime contractor Pratt and Whitney have narrowed down the potential fixes to a single preferred one, but approval still is required to move forward.

The root cause of the engine fire was too narrow a trench in the abradable strip lining the third stage of the integrally bladed rotor; this allowed for the stators to rub the lining. Excessive friction led to a 1,900F internal temperature, nearly twice what is expected in that section, and microcracking in the stators eventually caused them to break apart.

The initial problem with this aircraft occurred three weeks prior to the fire when a pilot conducted a routine ridge-riding maneuver that combined yaw, roll and gs. Such a maneuver had not been done on such a new aircraft.

In earlier jets, the trench surrounding the stators was gently "burned in," unbeknownst to developers and operators, because these were the jets used to slowly open the flight envelope.

Meanwhile, the program office is conducting a methodical "burn-in" process for its test fleet to allow them to return to normal flying status and move forward with testing as planned. The fourth jet of 20 in the flight test fleet is undergoing that process now, according to JPO spokeswoman Kyra Hawn.

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