F-22P and 053 series

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Rauf

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Money being the biggest factor, purchase plus operational cost. Pakistan naval maintenance capabilities are pretty good, Also Pakistan Navy has been after FFG-7s, likely to be upgraded with Turkish weapon and combat suit, along with Seahawks, likely 6 odd units.

Pak Navy wanted lighter frigate to replace Lender and type21s.
 
Dizasta1

Dizasta1

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Blackstone said:
Why did the PN go with F-22P instead of 054A?
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The main reason ----- ToT. Pakistan Navy.

Unfortunately, was not given as high a priority until late 1990s. Due to this, there was not much activity in the Navy ship building and zero research and development for new generation ships. Effectively, since day one, Pakistan Navy has to rely on procurement of foreign Navy ships.

F-22P gives Pakistan Navy the ability to establish military ship building industry, which would one day lead to designing and developing navy ships. This approach stems from the lessons learnt the hard way, by all of Pakistan's military services. Which also includes strategic forces.

After the 1965, 1971 wars and the 1999 Kargil skirmish. Pakistan's military had zero'd in on the single most important aspect of the military's requirements ...... self-sustaining defence industry. This what gave birth to projects like the Al-Khalid Main Battle Tank (Pakistan-China-Ukraine) for Pakistan Army, K-8P Karakoram and JF-17 Thunder (Pakistan-China) for Pakistan Air Force, as well as, Agosta-90B (Pakistan-France) and F-22P (Pakistan-China).

Type-054 is an outstanding navy ship and would prove ideal for Pakistan Navy. However, it would not/should not be at the expense of a self-sustaining navy-ship building industry. Money is big factor in determining which is more important, foreign built ships or developing local ship-building industry. In the long run, it is the local industry, who would provide Pakistan Navy with bulk of it's defence ships. So why splurge money ships that're bought, when you can produce local. Not to say that Pakistan won't be procuring ships from .... say, China, France and/or America.

Admitted that it would take some time (20+ years) before Pakistan's (navy) ship-building industry starts churning out high-performance and capable navy ships like 054s and 052s. But for now, it would be nice to see the domestic ship-building industry churn out advance F-22s. Or better yet, that Pakistan Navy gets ToT for F-24s.

Ideally, by 2025, Pakistan Navy ought have at least 16-18 frigates (local & foreign), 6-8 destroyers and 12-14 submarines (local & foreign).
 
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timepass

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Dizasta1 said:
The main reason ----- ToT. Pakistan Navy.

Unfortunately, was not given as high a priority until late 1990s. Due to this, there was not much activity in the Navy ship building and zero research and development for new generation ships. Effectively, since day one, Pakistan Navy has to rely on procurement of foreign Navy ships.

F-22P gives Pakistan Navy the ability to establish military ship building industry, which would one day lead to designing and developing navy ships. This approach stems from the lessons learnt the hard way, by all of Pakistan's military services. Which also includes strategic forces.

After the 1965, 1971 wars and the 1999 Kargil skirmish. Pakistan's military had zero'd in on the single most important aspect of the military's requirements ...... self-sustaining defence industry. This what gave birth to projects like the Al-Khalid Main Battle Tank (Pakistan-China-Ukraine) for Pakistan Army, K-8P Karakoram and JF-17 Thunder (Pakistan-China) for Pakistan Air Force, as well as, Agosta-90B (Pakistan-France) and F-22P (Pakistan-China).

Type-054 is an outstanding navy ship and would prove ideal for Pakistan Navy. However, it would not/should not be at the expense of a self-sustaining navy-ship building industry. Money is big factor in determining which is more important, foreign built ships or developing local ship-building industry. In the long run, it is the local industry, who would provide Pakistan Navy with bulk of it's defence ships. So why splurge money ships that're bought, when you can produce local. Not to say that Pakistan won't be procuring ships from .... say, China, France and/or America.

Admitted that it would take some time (20+ years) before Pakistan's (navy) ship-building industry starts churning out high-performance and capable navy ships like 054s and 052s. But for now, it would be nice to see the domestic ship-building industry churn out advance F-22s. Or better yet, that Pakistan Navy gets ToT for F-24s.

Ideally, by 2025, Pakistan Navy ought have at least 16-18 frigates (local & foreign), 6-8 destroyers and 12-14 submarines (local & foreign).
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Exactly & to add further we know that PN is closely working with Chinese counterparts & soon we hear the exact details for future procurement;

- 6 SSKs (improved Yuans or Quing ???).
- 4 FFGs (either more F22Ps or new design concept {F23Ps} but almost same displacement).
- 4 FFGs (in same class of 054As {F24Ps} but scaled down version).
- 4 ZDK03s ???

This all might complete by 2020, as soft loan talks are also underway.

Plus - 3 FFGs (ex-US OHPs)
 
asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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Yeah USN will retire more OHP and 4 are already in line for GENESIS from Turkey and if we can add more then great that would be say a further 2-4 to give between 6-8 very capable OHP under GENESIS

Adding further 4-8 Chinese modern FFG and that's a fine surface fleet

Btw Pak government is releasing more funds for the Navy new government is pushing for naval equipment the new Replemishment tanker steel has been cut and it's under construction we can expect more news soon

Add in naval Sqaudorn of JF-17 equipped with C802 and the CM-400AKG missile and you have a huge deterrence

Why did we get CM-400AKG when we already have a pretty huge arsenal of anti-ship missiles like Harpoon, Exocet and C802? Well simple because the CM-400AKG is design to hit capital ships like the Kolkata Class DDG and Indian fleet carriers

It's fast it's big and it will keep the Indian navy at bay for hundreds of kilometres, we target hit and cripple a large surface combatant and Indian navy will be on the back foot hope it never comes to it but that's the deterrence
 
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adeptitus

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This is both valid and not valid. Considering Pakistan is a close ally of China, it would have early knowledge of those ships at least a year or two before they are built. They might not know the exact specs, but at least they would have the ball park idea of what the ship would turn out to be. And especially considering 054A being not a secret-weapon type of gadget, say F22, J20 or nuclear subs, which don't need to be kept a secret. It would instead probably being marketed to the Pakistanis. Don't forget, higher tech and higher price tags = higher $$$.
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Pakistan had been in negotiation for upgraded Jiangwei class frigates since 1995:
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It's what they wanted, and they got it.
 
FORBIN

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I have found reloads number for HQ-61 launcher on 053H2G and HQ-7 on the 053H3 :

0 for HQ-61 and 8 for HQ-7 on the 053H3.

Same number for 054/Jiangkai : 8+8 : 16

But much for Luda : 051G1/G2 Luda III and Luda IV 051DT : 8 +24 : 32.

Found here
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i have compared with Crotale on French FFG work, very good site.
 
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FORBIN said:
I have found reloads number for HQ-61 launcher on 053H2G and HQ-7 on the 053H3 :

0 for HQ-61 and 8 for HQ-7 on the 053H3.

Same number for 054/Jiangkai : 8+8 : 16

But much for Luda : 051G1/G2 Luda III and Luda IV 051DT : 8 +24 : 32.

Found here
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i have compared with Crotale on French FFG work, very good site.
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i believe this information is correct. Also, if you look at the size of HQ-61 and where it's located. It's pretty much impossible for you to even fit reloader there.
 
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