franco-russe
Senior Member
Those ships were commissioned in 1977 (511) and 1978 (512).
F-22P and 053 series
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Those ships were commissioned in 1977 (511) and 1978 (512).
These old ships are expensive to operate and maintain.
for CG duties manueverability comes before top speed. they need AZPODS or side thrusters.
Jianghus are fuel thirsty and can go up to 25 kts but not as nimble. plus manning... a Jianghu takes hundreds to man. where as a comparable CMS ship would need 20-50?
joshuatree
Captain
Good point and probably key to why they opted to not do any further conversions of decommissioned Jianghus into CG vessels.
Donating them after some refurb/mods to other states wouldn't be out of the question though. Remove the missiles, torpedo tubes, depth charge racks, AA guns and you'll already reduce the manpower needed to run the ship. Provide more space for supplies and living quarters and the ship will make a good OPV for any state not able to afford new ones. I wish they actually would do this more often to help with foreign relations.
looks like China picked up orders for 4 more F-22Ps. Based on what I saw on Pakistani forums, 2 will be built in China and 2 in Karachi. I'm a little surprised that they are not going for 054A this time. We will have to see the design for this improved F-22P to see what kind of changes are made.
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
The PLAN should have taken the opportunity to sell Pakistan the 525 and 526 lead 054 ships, which IMO are more capable than F-22P's and are still relatively new, and use the funds towards constructing 2 more 054A's.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
PLAN would not make offers which are unlikely to meet the requirements of the customer, Type 054 does obviously not suite the needs of the PN, so simple enough
F22P is a good frigate, served well and does fill the role for what it was purchased, so only makes sense to buy and build more, Type 054/A is a proven ocean going vessel for long range deployments, PN will never have those requirements
F22P is a multi role vessel which fullfills all roles moderately, however I see upgrades in SAM and ASW warfare
So these new F22P will have enhanced systems and upgrades, designated as sometimes F23P, in addition PN is soon going to replace a order for a 20,000 ton replenishment tanker with Karachi dockyard which has significant Chinese input
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
I can understand if Pakistan does not have long range requirements, but then I don't understand why it needs a 20,000 ton replenishment tanker....
joshuatree
Captain
Perhaps to maintain an extended presence in the coastal waters without having to send their F-22Ps back to port for replenishment?
PN is hoping to pick up surplus OPH class, 4 to 5, as it already operates one. The cost of these could be picked up by FMS funds, thus helps out towards cash crunch. It would be interesting to see how PN further updates the OPH as one delivered had quite a bit of armanents removed. If PN could install medium range SAM system, then it will have a ship some what as capable as 054. In case no more OPH, I also think that PN could benifet alot from older 054. But that is just my opinion not of PN.
PN is hoping to have better SAM system installed vs the curret 8 cell launcher, that part was layed out in requirement for new F-22Ps.
PN is hoping to have better SAM system installed vs the curret 8 cell launcher, that part was layed out in requirement for new F-22Ps.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
the same reason why PAF has Midas Aerial refueling tankers even although we might never operate outside our own airspace, the reason are obvious as joshuatree stated