F-22 Raptor Thread

Blitzo

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o_O

Any idea when it was taken? And where did the picture come from?
 

Blitzo

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Fascinating. I suppose this is going to characterize US-PRC military relations: disputes and tension in areas close to China, but more cooperation and smiles in other places...
 

bd popeye

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It happened on Sept. 23rd.

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Thanks for posting A.Mace, I think they were in Hawaii first not Alaska. I see palm trees. The photos of the weapons were taken in Alaska in 2012. Perhaps they went to Alaska later in their trip.

Some things get lost in the translation.
 
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Air Force Brat

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... Are those actually PLAAF personnel?? Context??

I mean, I doubt they saw anything which you wouldn't be able to see at an airshow, maybe even less. But still, there is some interesting symbolism behind this photo. It would be nice to return the gesture one day with j-20 once it enters service.

And +1 for the random bulldog.

Squadron Mascot! I think he's just a Major!
 

Scyth

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The F-35s are not ready yet.

The Syrians have a credible, modern air defense system.

It was probably thought that Assad would not counter or attempt to prevent these attacks against his enemy...and doing something to them he cannot do himself.

But you never know. With the F-22's stealth, and with its capability to carry A2G munitions in its weapons bay...this mission for the F-22s insured that the Syrians could not interdict, was a lot safer, and just made a lot of sense.

As I say, ultimately the F-35s will perform this role...but they are not ready yet.

Wouldn't the B-2s be sufficient for that with F-22 escort? Is the US worried that more advanced SAM equipment was supplied by the Russians than that we know off and maybe these equipment are operated by the Russians or nervous finger-itchy Syrians?
 

Air Force Brat

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Wouldn't the B-2s be sufficient for that with F-22 escort? Is the US worried that more advanced SAM equipment was supplied by the Russians than that we know off and maybe these equipment are operated by the Russians or nervous finger-itchy Syrians?

The B-2s would be overkill, B-2s are used for certain high value targets in very tightly contested airspace, they are based at Whiteman AFB in Missouri due to their value. With only 20 aircraft, they are more scarce than even the Raptor, no need to risk them, but using the F-22 actually negates much of the risk. brat
 

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The Air Force's costly and controversial new F-22 Raptor made its public debut during bombing runs over Syria earlier this week and defense experts said they were impressed by the first glimpse of its lethal firepower.

“It seems to have been very successful – it was designed to have that ‘first night,’ precision strike capability,” Rebecca Grant, president of Washington D.C.-based defense research firm IRIS Independent Research, told FoxNews.com. “This proves that the F-22 is a viable combat aircraft and a good air-to-ground weapon.”

Developed by Lockheed Martin, the F-22 has been touted as the world’s premier fighter aircraft and a key weapon in the U.S. military’s high-tech arsenal. However, with a price tag of $67 billion and beset by problems, the F-22 program has come under intense scrutiny. Only 188 of the planes have been built.

Set against this backdrop, defense experts were eager to see if the plane lived up to its billing.

“The U.S. has invested a lot in the F-22 Raptor and the U.S. Air Force has worked so much in the last few years to turn the troubled, expensive interceptor into a real multi-role platform that could be eventually used in a real operation,” Rome-based aviation expert, pilot, and former Italian Air Force officer David Cenciotti told FoxNews.com in an email. “In this case it was also the chance to appease those who criticized the costly stealth plane and the fact it was never used in combat until a couple of days ago,” he said.



The attack on an Islamic State command and control center in the northern Syrian city of Raqqa was an ideal mission for the F-22, according to experts.

“I think that part of the reason for the use of the F-22 was location,” Grant told FoxNews.com. “The target was right in the heart of a city so they wanted a very precise hit – to destroy the target and not anything else.”

Capable of flying faster than the speed of sound without afterburners, reports also suggest that the stealth fighter routinely flies above 50,000 feet.

“It’s a very fast, very high altitude aircraft – that adds to its survivability and effectiveness," said Grant. “Any bomb coming off a high speed, high altitude aircraft, does that much more damage.”

Unique for a fighter, the F-22 also carries its bombs internally in a bomb bay, something which gives it more stealth and speed. “If you have the bombs hanging out underneath, it really increases the radar signal of the aircraft, and slows it aerodynamically,” she said.

A typical F-22 armaments configuration is two 1,000-pound GPS-guided bombs and two radar-guided air-to-air missiles in its inner bay, along with one infrared-seeking air-to-air missiles in each of its two side bays. Alternatively, the fighter can carry eight 250-pound Small Diameter Bombs (SDBs) and two radar-guided air-to-air missiles in its inner bay, in addition to its two side bay missiles.

Media reports have speculated that a 1,000-pound bomb was dropped in the attack on the ISIS command and control center.

The SDBs are a “penetrating, blast-fragmentation warhead for stationary targets, equipped with deployable wings for extended standoff range,” according to Cenciotti, who writes The Aviationist blog. “These bombs are particularly useful to improve accuracy and reduce collateral damage,” he added.

Cenciotti noted that this week’s U.S. airstrikes took place well inside airspace guarded by Syrian air defense radars and surface to air missile batteries, where Syrian planes involved in the country’s civil war usually operate. The F-22’s ability to enter a target area largely undetected is therefore extremely useful. The expert cited, in particular, the fighter’s ability to “gather details about the enemy systems with their extremely advanced onboard sensors, escort other unstealthy planes and, last but not least, attack their own targets.”
 

Jeff Head

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I don't necessarily buy that -- unstealthy F-15s, F-16s, and drones also participated in the attack within Syria. If there are indications that the F-22's ground targets were closer to Syrian air defences then sure, I can understand why the F-22 was used for that particular target.

But otherwise, it seems like that target could have been destroyed by any non stealthy striker as well.
Of course the F-16s and F-15s can do the job. But that is presuming that Assad does not interdict with his anti-air system.

A good bet...but not a sure thing.

The F-22 made the issue moot for the high value targets the US wanted to hit.

If Assad fired up his air defense system, then all sorts of SEAD missions would also have to be flown.

As it is, Assad seems content to let the coalition do what he cannot do. No big surprise there.

And the F-22 debut to combat sends an improtant message in any case. Lets everyone know that in addition to their unparalled air-supremacy role, they can very adequately also perform the stealthy strike role if called upon.
 
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