F-22 Raptor Thread

[TerraN_EmpirE]

That might be part of the reason the Pentagon placed the F15X bonus order. To take some stress off the Raptor fleet for the 2024 MLU.

 

[Jura The idiot]

minutiae:

Let's not because both of you are missing a critical point here.
Where would the F15 have come from?
Joint Base Elmendorf–Richardson is home of the Third Wing which flies Raptors, C130J, C17A and E3 the 176th wing group C130H2, HC130P and HH60G and C17 and the 673rd Air base wing which are Support no aircraft they have a dentist but not fighters.
There is also the 3rd SOS but they use M4A1 Carbines so no dice there. The 381st Intelligence Squadron desk type folks.
No F15s on deck. There is also the 25th Infantry Division 4th Infantry Brigade combat team (Airborne) but I doubt anything they have can deal with a Bear in the air.
The F15 Squadron that was based at JBER the 19th Fighter Squadron left in 2010.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

minutiae

No Jura Just this is fact vs Fiction.
You come after me on my flights of fancy from time to time like this so turn about.
If a Bear is to be intercepted out of Alaska it has to come from an Alaskan AFB that's either F16 Agressors from Eielson AFB or F22 from JBER. There are only two fields. And two fighter types.
None of the other types I listed could catch up to a Bear. Save perhaps a C17 but then what? He opens the ramp and threatens to drop a tank on him?

 

[Jura The idiot]

No Jura Just this is fact vs Fiction.
You come after me on my flights of fancy from time to time like this so turn about
If a Bear is to be intercepted out of Alaska it has to come from an Alaskan AFB that's either F16 Agressors from Eielson AFB or F22 from JBER. There are only two fields. And two fighter types.
None of the other types I listed could catch up to a Bear save perhaps a C17 but the. What? He opens the ramp and threatens to drop a tank on him?

had the Pentagon decided to keep Raptors off Elmendorf (or any other base), it would have, please don't tell me F-15s couldn't be rotated

Yesterday at 8:36 PM

F-15s would be good enough has been my point, but no matter what my point is LOL the Pentagon sends Raptors, so let's leave it

 

[Air Force Brat]

That might be part of the reason the Pentagon placed the F15X bonus order. To take some stress off the Raptor fleet for the 2024 MLU.

No doubt it is, and I'm rather certain that those Raptors will be SLEPed, hopefully for another 8,000 hrs, the center Fuse is welded Titanium which like carbon steel is much more pliable than Aluminum. If they get those new F-15X's, those Raptors will get a little rest and rebuild, or R&R, which they have earned...

 

[Air Force Brat]

Let's not because both of you are missing a critical point here.
Where would the F15 have come from?
Joint Base Elmendorf–Richardson is home of the Third Wing which flies Raptors, C130J, C17A and E3 the 176th wing group C130H2, HC130P and HH60G and C17 and the 673rd Air base wing which are Support no aircraft they have a dentist but not fighters.
There is also the 3rd SOS but they use M4A1 Carbines so no dice there. The 381st Intelligence Squadron desk type folks.
No F15s on deck. There is also the 25th Infantry Division 4th Infantry Brigade combat team (Airborne) but I doubt anything they have can deal with a Bear in the air.
The F15 Squadron that was based at JBER the 19th Fighter Squadron left in 2010.

I did indeed point out to Jura in post 1195 that the Raptor's are at Elmendorf, which I'm sure he already know's.....

 

[Jura The idiot]

I've recently criticized the deployment of Raptors to Elmendorf, so I should look now, LOL!

F-22 Raptors from the 3rd Wing and 477th Fighter Group participate in a close formation taxi with an E-3 Sentry and a C-17 Globemaster III, known as an Elephant Walk, March 26, 2019, during a Polar Force exercise at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska. This two-week exercise gives squadrons an opportunity to demonstrate their abilities to forward deploy and deliver overwhelming combat airpower. (U.S. Air Force photo by Justin Connaher)

Two Dozen F-22 Raptors Perform “Elephant Walk” As Part Or Readiness Exercise at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska.

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Jura wrong again, LOL!

 

[PhilFYW]

How naive were we in the past...
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[gelgoog]

Well no wonder. Other than "on-aircraft fault isolation" all the other claims why the cost reductions were supposed to happen seem like hot air.

 

[Jura The idiot]

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USAF Standing Up Urgent ‘5th To 4th Gateway’ Site

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The U.S. Air Force is standing up a gateway communication system at an operational base to enable certain front-line fighters, including the

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, to transmit data to other aircraft types without compromising its stealth signature, according to a newly-released acquisition notice.

The site activation at a classified site reveals a behind-the-scenes effort by the Air Force to overcome a well-known limitation in the communications systems of so-called fifth-generation fighters.

A “5th to 4th Gateway” allows the F-35 and Lockheed

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to transmit the volumes of data collected by their onboard sensors to other aircraft despite lacking a compatible data link.

The Air Force designed the Intra-Flight Data Link (IFDL) for the F-22 in the 1980s with the expectation that it would not need to communicate with other aircraft types to perform its mission. Instead, each F-22 could use the IFDL with a low-probably of intercept and low-probability of detection (LPI/LPD) transmission to share radar and other sensor data with F-22s. The F-35 was designed with yet another LPI/LPD data link called the Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL), so it can transmit data in stealth mode only with other F-35s.

For nearly a decade, the Air Force had expressed interest in addressing the communications gap between fifth- and fourth-generation fighters, which include the

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and

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. But a 2013 plan to launch a 5th to 4th Gateway program of record never materialized. Such a gateway can receive an IFDL or MADL transmission, then translate the message into a format and waveform that is compatible with Link 16 or other radios on fourth-generation fighters.

As late as 2015, the Air Force also considered inserting a gateway system into unoccupied space in the Lockheed Martin Legion Pod, which integrates an infrared search and track sensor on the F-15 fleet. But no funding has materialized for that program either.

But the requirement for a 5th to 4th Gateway gained traction in late 2017. An undisclosed combatant command issued an urgent operational need for such a system. On Dec. 17, 2017, the Air Force awarded a $15 million contract to

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’s Mission Systems division for a 5th to 4th Gateway system, according to acquisition records. The award for the “risk reduction” effort had a maximum value of $72 million, according to Air Force acquisition data.

Nearly 16 months later, the Air Force awarded Northrop a $4.29 million contract to stand up the first 5th to 4th Gateway field site “in theater,” an Air Force notice says.

Northrop declined to elaborate on the Air Force acquisition disclosures, but the company offers the Freedom 550 gateway system between IFDL, MADL and Link 16, among other data links.

The site activation effort gets underway as the F-35A begins its first deployment to a combat zone. Four Air Force F-35As landed at Al Dhafra Air Base in the UAE on April 15 to support U.S. Central Command operations, which includes active combat zones in Syria and Afghanistan.