F-22 Raptor 5th Generation Stealth Fighter
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BrotherofSnake
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
Some F-15s have the APG-63 active electronically scanned array radar. I think the F-15s used against Indian Sukhois were armed with AIM-9Xs.
Some F-15s have the APG-63 active electronically scanned array radar. I think the F-15s used against Indian Sukhois were armed with AIM-9Xs.
Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
A pre-programmed UAV that fly to a kill-box and utilize computer AI and optical imaging to ID and attack targets, would not require live data link/control.
The Israeli Harpy, for an example, is a primitive "fire and forget" attack UAV that requires no manual input after it's deployed. The Harpy system is designed to be fully autonomous in target acquisition and attack:
"The Harpy mission is planned and programmed in the battery ground control center, as an independent mission, or planned in accordance with other manned or unmanned systems. The drone flies autonomously enroute to its patrol area its radar seeker head constantly search for hostile radars. Once suspicious radar is acquired, Harpy compares the signal to the library of hostile emitters, and prioritizes the threat. If the target is verified, the drone enters an attack mode, as it transitions into a near vertical dive, homing on the signal. The drone is set to detonate its warhead just above the target, to generate the highest damage to the antennae, and surrounding facilities. If the radar is turned off before Harpy strikes, the drone can abort the attack and continue loitering. If no radar was spotted during the mission, the drone is programmed to self destruct over a designated area. Follow-on systems which are already proposed to foreign clients, are calling for a combination of seeker and killer drones that will enable visual identification and attack of targets even after they turn off their emitters."
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My opinion is that, it's a LOT easier to build a "stealth" UAV or Cruise Missile, than a stealth plane. The Kongsberg NSM is one example:
Rather than sending fighters to oppose enemy aircraft, you'd simply launch stealth UAV & cruise missiles to attack enemy airstrips and aircraft carriers. The enemy anti-missile defense system will have to combat against sea-skimming stealth anti-ship missiles with extremely low radar cross section.
UAV's are excellent vehicles to both mass-deploy & extend the range of cruise missiles. Unlike expensive fighter planes, it's cheaper to mass-produce UAV's and cruise missiles, lowering the overall cost per unit. If you can lower your cost per cruise missile to $500,000 each, for the price of a $100 million stealth plane, you can buy 200 missiles.
IDonT said:
A pre-programmed UAV that fly to a kill-box and utilize computer AI and optical imaging to ID and attack targets, would not require live data link/control.
The Israeli Harpy, for an example, is a primitive "fire and forget" attack UAV that requires no manual input after it's deployed. The Harpy system is designed to be fully autonomous in target acquisition and attack:
"The Harpy mission is planned and programmed in the battery ground control center, as an independent mission, or planned in accordance with other manned or unmanned systems. The drone flies autonomously enroute to its patrol area its radar seeker head constantly search for hostile radars. Once suspicious radar is acquired, Harpy compares the signal to the library of hostile emitters, and prioritizes the threat. If the target is verified, the drone enters an attack mode, as it transitions into a near vertical dive, homing on the signal. The drone is set to detonate its warhead just above the target, to generate the highest damage to the antennae, and surrounding facilities. If the radar is turned off before Harpy strikes, the drone can abort the attack and continue loitering. If no radar was spotted during the mission, the drone is programmed to self destruct over a designated area. Follow-on systems which are already proposed to foreign clients, are calling for a combination of seeker and killer drones that will enable visual identification and attack of targets even after they turn off their emitters."
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My opinion is that, it's a LOT easier to build a "stealth" UAV or Cruise Missile, than a stealth plane. The Kongsberg NSM is one example:
Rather than sending fighters to oppose enemy aircraft, you'd simply launch stealth UAV & cruise missiles to attack enemy airstrips and aircraft carriers. The enemy anti-missile defense system will have to combat against sea-skimming stealth anti-ship missiles with extremely low radar cross section.
UAV's are excellent vehicles to both mass-deploy & extend the range of cruise missiles. Unlike expensive fighter planes, it's cheaper to mass-produce UAV's and cruise missiles, lowering the overall cost per unit. If you can lower your cost per cruise missile to $500,000 each, for the price of a $100 million stealth plane, you can buy 200 missiles.
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MIGleader
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
lets sum things up. the f-22 is a capable fighter, but the chinese are hot on its tail. and so are the russians. a j-11, euro figher, rafale, or any other advanced 4 th gen fighter with plasma ram, tvc, and a high power fuel saving engine can perform 90% as well as a rapter, but may only cost a fourth of what the raptor costs.
the f-15c is neither the best f-15 varient or a dominant fighter. its just a impression the u.s likes to foster. its potential is also depleted. a flanker with a good radar like the mki will whoop an f-15's ass.
lets sum things up. the f-22 is a capable fighter, but the chinese are hot on its tail. and so are the russians. a j-11, euro figher, rafale, or any other advanced 4 th gen fighter with plasma ram, tvc, and a high power fuel saving engine can perform 90% as well as a rapter, but may only cost a fourth of what the raptor costs.
the f-15c is neither the best f-15 varient or a dominant fighter. its just a impression the u.s likes to foster. its potential is also depleted. a flanker with a good radar like the mki will whoop an f-15's ass.
Chairman Hu
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
what are rams again?
Yea true, Raptor got foes how on their tail!
How will the MCA fare against the J-XX and the Raptor...?
from the current point of view
what are rams again?
Yea true, Raptor got foes how on their tail!
How will the MCA fare against the J-XX and the Raptor...?
from the current point of view
BrotherofSnake
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
RAM is radar absorbent material.
I doubt the MCA and J-XX would be as good as the Raptor.
RAM is radar absorbent material.
I doubt the MCA and J-XX would be as good as the Raptor.
Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
As for F-22 raptors, the PLAAF's only chance against it is to send a lot of cannon fodder fighters against it and hope that the raptors fire at it and use up all their AAMs.
where did you get that idea from? BARS is PAR and some F-15Cs are equipped with AESA. The range from BARS is overblown, it's only 140-160 KM search vs F-16C/Ds. It's look up and down range is nothing to brag about either. What it has is superior maneouverability to F-15Cs. Also, R-77M has much longer range than AIM-120s.swimmerXC said:
As for F-22 raptors, the PLAAF's only chance against it is to send a lot of cannon fodder fighters against it and hope that the raptors fire at it and use up all their AAMs.
Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
As for J-XX, it would be foolish to think that it would reach F-22's level. If it can get to the Eurofighter's level, it would be pretty good.
looking at LCA's progress, I wonder if MCA will ever come out.BrotherofSnake said:
As for J-XX, it would be foolish to think that it would reach F-22's level. If it can get to the Eurofighter's level, it would be pretty good.
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