European Economics Thread

gelgoog

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It is not just China. The Gulf petrostates have been building plastics manufacturing facilities like crazy.
Even Russia, which used to import most of its plastics, has been building facilities for it.

Because of high energy costs in Europe, they will need to consign themselves to screwdriver assembly of parts made elsewhere with cheaper energy costs. Most of us analyzing this situation have known this ever since 2-2-2022. People calling Russia a "gas station" have no idea what they talk about. Russia is a commodities giant. They produce just about every single resource by simple virtue of having the largest piece of real estate in the world.

Something like electric smelting of steel would have more decent chances in France which still has most of its power generated from nuclear and where most of its nuclear reactors are operating on the residual factor.

In Germany I expect the next government to backpedal on much of the Green energy policy and stop the closure of steel production using coal.

For plastics you need cheap petroleum feedstocks and right now Europe cut itself off of those. Both it and chemical production will move outside of Europe.
 
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gelgoog

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The EU is doing a lot of mistakes. Their free trade deal with Mercosur will be a major blow to French farmers. They think this will enable the Germans to sell their automobiles to Latin America but the Chinese are already getting entrenched there and European products are way behind. Latin America lacks its own oil, while countries like Brazil have huge hydropower capacity, want to go into nuclear, so expect a major push into EVs there to happen.

Electricity prices in France are still relatively low but decades of under investment mean most of the nuclear power plants there need major maintenance. They delayed it thinking they would go into renewables and that is proving to be a flop. They need to fix and upgrade their entire nuclear park, lengthen the lifetime of their nuclear reactors by another 20 years, and build new ones. If they do this their industry will survive.
 

sunnymaxi

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People aren't paying much attention to France, not sure if they will have any industries left by the end of this decade.

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outside Aerospace/aviation France barely has anything in High tech. they even struggling in military sector, Dassault tried to increase the production of Rafale Fighter jets but still unable to do this. they delivered only 13 fighter jets last year. LOL
 

gelgoog

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outside Aerospace/aviation France barely has anything in High tech. they even struggling in military sector, Dassault tried to increase the production of Rafale Fighter jets but still unable to do this. they delivered only 13 fighter jets last year. LOL
They seem to (finally) be making their own engine for large aircraft with EU funding. There are also modern helicopter engines being developed. There are a couple of EU funded military projects which might push the technology level forward.
But France is behind in a lot of sectors yes. Their electronics sector never recovered. It survives on military contracts.
 

gelgoog

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you mean Safran will manufacture its own large High bypass turbofan engine outside their partnership with GE ?? interesting if true
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Notice the participants in the study.

It is meant to be a replacement for the An-124 Ruslan. It should have huge engines.
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