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Why Germany won’t get tough on Beijing — even if it invades Taiwan

The German economy is even more dependent on China than it is on Russia.

Olaf Scholz (while Mayor of Hamburg) meets China's Xi Jinping | Patrik Stollarz/AFP via Getty Images

By Matthew Karnitschnig August 12, 2022 4:00 am

BERLIN — Germany’s Wagnerian foreign policy spectacle is moving east.

Spoiler alert: It’s even worse than the original.

For months, Berlin has frustrated (read enraged) many allies with its one step forward, two steps back approach to confronting Russia over Ukraine. Yet that tortured episode is looking like little more than an overture to what’s brewing in Asia, as tensions over Taiwan force Berlin to weigh how it would respond if Beijing tries to seize the island nation, which China considers a breakaway region.

If that happens, the U.S. and other Western allies would push for tough sanctions against China. Germany is unlikely to be among them, a course that could protect its export-driven economy, but damage both its own and Europe’s international credibility.

Asked Thursday whether Germany could afford to support sanctions in the event of a Chinese invasion, Chancellor Olaf Scholz dodged the question, while reprimanding German industry for ignoring the maxim “to not put all your eggs in one basket.”

“The question of our country’s dependence in crucial areas concerning supply chains, raw materials and other things is a necessary element of our national security strategy, which we’re working on at the moment,” he added, without mentioning China by name.

Others have been more direct. German industry’s reliance on exports has “created a dependency that leaves us helpless,” Norbert Röttgen, a prominent center-right MP, told German television earlier this week.

Could Germany back sanctions against China?

“At the moment, not really,” said Röttgen, a former minister and longtime chairman of the German parliament’s foreign policy committee.

While the debate is in many respects a redux of Germany’s manic handwringing over whether and how to confront Russia over Ukraine, this time even more is at stake.

Germany’s big concern over antagonizing Moscow was losing access to cheap energy. With Beijing, it’s about losing the foundation of its economic prosperity. In recent years, China has overtaken the U.S. to become Germany’s biggest trading partner, accounting for nearly 10 percent of the country’s €2.6 trillion in foreign trade last year. What’s more, China, which has propelled the German economy for decades, remains a key growth driver.

That’s why reducing German industry’s reliance on the country is easier said than done.
A Chinese military jet flies over Pingtan island, one of mainland China’s closest point from Taiwan | Hector Retamal/AFP via Getty Images)

“The degree to which our prosperity is funded by China is extremely underestimated in this country,” Volkswagen Chief Executive Herbert Diess said in a recent interview. “Germany would look a lot different if we were to decouple.”

Indeed, no German industry is more dependent on China than Diess’ own. Every third car produced by German carmakers is sold in China. German carmakers also operate a substantial network of factories in China itself, producing 4.3 million cars there in 2021 alone.

“The German car industry, like the rest of the world, is watching the tensions between China and Taiwan with concern,” said a spokeswoman for the industry’s lobbying arm, known as the VDA.

“Panic” might be a better word.

VW’s Diess, who is due to step down as head of Europe’s largest automaker later this month, says that China is “indispensable” for the company’s future.

The picture is similar across other key German export sectors, from chemicals to machinery. About 1.1 million German jobs, or 2.4 percent of the total, directly rely on Chinese consumption, according to a June study by the Cologne-based German Economic Institute.

Though Germany and the rest of the EU are crucial markets for China as well, the study notes that the Chinese are reducing their dependence on the region, while European exposure to China is increasing.

In an urgent plea, study author Jürgen Matthes said it was “high time” for Europe and Germany to reverse course and reduce their economic reliance on China.

“It’s not about decoupling, but rather limiting dependencies, especially through more diversification,” he wrote.

Yet just as it took decades for German industry to establish itself in China, pulling back won’t happen overnight — especially considering that few regions around the world offer the kind of reliable growth that China does.

Hence Germany’s quandary.

“In the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan followed by massive Western sanctions, export and revenue declines as well the suspension of deliveries out of China would lead to considerable economic losses in the EU and especially in Germany,” Matthes concluded.

Every third car produced by German carmakers is sold in China | Stringer/Getty Images via AsiaPac

Given that outlook, German support for substantial Western sanctions is doubtful. Though Berlin backed tough measures on Moscow after the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February, the potential economic fallout for Germany was limited and largely for show.

Even as Scholz suspended the controversial Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project with Russia, for example, he also tried to ringfence Germany’s core energy interests by rejecting calls for an all-out gas embargo.

That strategy didn’t pan out as he’d hoped, but only because the Russians themselves reduced the flow of natural gas to Europe. The ongoing gas shortage in Germany, which threatens to hobble key industrial sectors, will inevitably influence how the government responds to a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan. With inflation high and energy prices showing no signs of falling, Germany can ill afford another hit to its flagging economy.

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To say that China grabs Germany by the throat and balls fits into Western propaganda narrative to demonize China. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. That is what globalization is all about.

But it is NATO that pushed the MAD economic war on Russia and it backfired badly. Are they still wanting to do the same with China ?
 

Strangelove

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To say that China grabs Germany by the throat and balls fits into Western propaganda narrative to demonize China. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. That is what globalization is all about.

But it is NATO that pushed the MAD economic war on Russia and it backfired badly. Are they still wanting to do the same with China ?

Of course they do, so better to hold them by throat and balls and squeeze hard. Mutually beneficial relationship is a story for the tourists...
 

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A Horrifying Drought Is Causing Widespread Crop Failures Throughout The US And Europe​

We really are reaching a major crisis point. Thanks to soaring fertilizer prices, insane weather patterns and the war in Ukraine, global food supplies have been getting
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. So we really needed a banner year for agricultural production in both the United States and Europe in 2022, and that is not going to happen. In fact, unprecedented drought is absolutely devastating crops all over the northern hemisphere. A lot of people are complaining about how high food prices are
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, but just wait. If some sort of a miracle doesn’t happen, agricultural production is going to be way below expectations in both the United States and Europe, and that is going to have very serious implications for 2023.
Let me start by talking about the nightmare that is starting to unfold in Europe.

According
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, it is now being projected that farmers in Italy have lost “up to 80% of their harvest” because the drought has become so severe…

In Italy, farmers in some parts of the country have lost up to 80% of their harvest this year due to severe weather anomalies, the Coldretti farming association said Thursday.
How are those farmers going to survive?

Many farmers in France are facing similar losses because they have only been receiving
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that they normally get…

In France, where an intense drought has hammered farmers and prompted widespread limits on freshwater use, there was just 9.7 millimetres (0.38 inches) of rain last month, Meteo France said.
That was 84 percent down on the average levels seen for July between 1991 and 2022, making it the driest month since March 1961, the agency added.
Crop failures in France would be a really, really big deal, because France is normally
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in the entire world…

France is the fourth-largest exporter of wheat and among the top five exporters of maize globally. Poor harvests due to drought may heap further pressure on grain supplies after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine caused global shockwaves.
The situation in Germany is also extremely dire.

It is being reported that things are already so bad that some sections of the Rhine River have dropped
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Germany’s most-important river is running dry as Europe suffers through a drought that is on course to become its worst in 500 years, with terrifying wildfires burning once again in France.
Water levels in the Rhine – which carries 80 per cent of all goods transported by water in Germany, from its industrial heartlands to Dutch ports – are now so low that it could become impassable to barges later this week, threatening vital supplies of oil and coal that the country is relying upon as Russia turns off the gas tap.
Of course the U.S. is dealing with severe drought too.

According to
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, about half of the nation is experiencing some level of drought at this moment, and we are being told that the ongoing megadrought in the Southwest
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.

Things are particularly bad in Texas. If you can believe it, Dallas just had a stretch in which they had no measurable rain at all
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The daily highs in Dallas have been 95 degrees or higher for three straight weeks, much hotter than normal for this time of year. The Dallas-Fort Worth area has even more problems amid an
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going as far back as May 17. One hundred percent of Dallas County is in an extreme drought, while 21 percent of the whole state is experiencing exceptional drought — the most intense category of drought —
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.
A 67-day stretch with no measurable rain came to an end in Dallas on Wednesday when 0.41 of an inch of rain fell. That was the second-longest dry streak at Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. The standing record was 85 consecutive days that spanned much of the summer of 2000.
The lack of moisture has been crippling for the state’s absolutely massive agriculture industry. There are
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in Texas, and nearly all of them are deeply suffering right now…

The drought pressing Texas’ agriculture industry — which is responsible for
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of the state’s gross domestic product — is pushing farmers and ranchers to the brink. The state’s 247,000 farms and ranches covering 127 million acres haven’t had a whole year of rain since 2017. Almost 24 million of Texas’ population lives in drought-facing areas.
As of the first of August, less than 1 percent of the state was not facing some level of drought or abnormal dryness.
At this point, conditions are so dry in Texas that many ranchers have been forced to “panic sell” their herds. For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled
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.

Other states in the Southwest are also being hit extremely hard by this drought.

Over in Utah, the size of the Great Salt Lake just continues to get
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due to the relentlessly dry conditions…

The warm arid desert in the West certainly had its fair share of the summer heat. Salt Lake City International Airport
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a high of 100 degrees on July 28, marking the 16th day that month of triple-digit temperatures and breaking the previous record of 15 in July 1960. Last month, the city tied its record for the hottest recorded temperature of 107 degrees for the fourth time, according to
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. The other occasions on which the mercury rose to 107 in Salt Lake City were in June 2021, July 2002 and July 1960. Record-keeping began there in 1874.
That intense heat hasn’t just made the residents of Utah sweat though — it has also magnified the ongoing megadrought, which has contributed to the
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of the Great Salt Lake. Between July 2021 and 2022, the average daily water level of the lake dropped by about one foot, a historic low, and is expected to fall even farther.
There have always been times of drought all throughout history, but in modern times we have never seen the United States and Europe simultaneously experience such a severe drought for such an extended period.

For years I
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that we are moving toward a time when global famines will become quite common, and widespread crop failures throughout the western world this year would greatly accelerate that process.

We are being told that a child dies
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from malnutrition.

But as food supplies get tighter and tighter, global hunger is going to get far, far worse than it is now.

In 2023, there simply is not going to be enough food for everyone.

I hope that you are getting prepared for that, because next year is just around the corner.

:(
 

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A Horrifying Drought Is Causing Widespread Crop Failures Throughout The US And Europe​

We really are reaching a major crisis point. Thanks to soaring fertilizer prices, insane weather patterns and the war in Ukraine, global food supplies have been getting
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
. So we really needed a banner year for agricultural production in both the United States and Europe in 2022, and that is not going to happen. In fact, unprecedented drought is absolutely devastating crops all over the northern hemisphere. A lot of people are complaining about how high food prices are
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, but just wait. If some sort of a miracle doesn’t happen, agricultural production is going to be way below expectations in both the United States and Europe, and that is going to have very serious implications for 2023.
Let me start by talking about the nightmare that is starting to unfold in Europe.

According
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, it is now being projected that farmers in Italy have lost “up to 80% of their harvest” because the drought has become so severe…


How are those farmers going to survive?

Many farmers in France are facing similar losses because they have only been receiving
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that they normally get…


Crop failures in France would be a really, really big deal, because France is normally
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in the entire world…


The situation in Germany is also extremely dire.

It is being reported that things are already so bad that some sections of the Rhine River have dropped
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Of course the U.S. is dealing with severe drought too.

According to
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, about half of the nation is experiencing some level of drought at this moment, and we are being told that the ongoing megadrought in the Southwest
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.

Things are particularly bad in Texas. If you can believe it, Dallas just had a stretch in which they had no measurable rain at all
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!



The lack of moisture has been crippling for the state’s absolutely massive agriculture industry. There are
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
in Texas, and nearly all of them are deeply suffering right now…


At this point, conditions are so dry in Texas that many ranchers have been forced to “panic sell” their herds. For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

Other states in the Southwest are also being hit extremely hard by this drought.

Over in Utah, the size of the Great Salt Lake just continues to get
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due to the relentlessly dry conditions…


There have always been times of drought all throughout history, but in modern times we have never seen the United States and Europe simultaneously experience such a severe drought for such an extended period.

For years I
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that we are moving toward a time when global famines will become quite common, and widespread crop failures throughout the western world this year would greatly accelerate that process.

We are being told that a child dies
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from malnutrition.

But as food supplies get tighter and tighter, global hunger is going to get far, far worse than it is now.

In 2023, there simply is not going to be enough food for everyone.

I hope that you are getting prepared for that, because next year is just around the corner.

:(
Grap em right at the Pu...
 

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A Horrifying Drought Is Causing Widespread Crop Failures Throughout The US And Europe​

We really are reaching a major crisis point. Thanks to soaring fertilizer prices, insane weather patterns and the war in Ukraine, global food supplies have been getting
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
. So we really needed a banner year for agricultural production in both the United States and Europe in 2022, and that is not going to happen. In fact, unprecedented drought is absolutely devastating crops all over the northern hemisphere. A lot of people are complaining about how high food prices are
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, but just wait. If some sort of a miracle doesn’t happen, agricultural production is going to be way below expectations in both the United States and Europe, and that is going to have very serious implications for 2023.
Let me start by talking about the nightmare that is starting to unfold in Europe.

According
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, it is now being projected that farmers in Italy have lost “up to 80% of their harvest” because the drought has become so severe…


How are those farmers going to survive?

Many farmers in France are facing similar losses because they have only been receiving
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
that they normally get…


Crop failures in France would be a really, really big deal, because France is normally
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
in the entire world…


The situation in Germany is also extremely dire.

It is being reported that things are already so bad that some sections of the Rhine River have dropped
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!



Of course the U.S. is dealing with severe drought too.

According to
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, about half of the nation is experiencing some level of drought at this moment, and we are being told that the ongoing megadrought in the Southwest
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

Things are particularly bad in Texas. If you can believe it, Dallas just had a stretch in which they had no measurable rain at all
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!



The lack of moisture has been crippling for the state’s absolutely massive agriculture industry. There are
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
in Texas, and nearly all of them are deeply suffering right now…


At this point, conditions are so dry in Texas that many ranchers have been forced to “panic sell” their herds. For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

Other states in the Southwest are also being hit extremely hard by this drought.

Over in Utah, the size of the Great Salt Lake just continues to get
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due to the relentlessly dry conditions…


There have always been times of drought all throughout history, but in modern times we have never seen the United States and Europe simultaneously experience such a severe drought for such an extended period.

For years I
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that we are moving toward a time when global famines will become quite common, and widespread crop failures throughout the western world this year would greatly accelerate that process.

We are being told that a child dies
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from malnutrition.

But as food supplies get tighter and tighter, global hunger is going to get far, far worse than it is now.

In 2023, there simply is not going to be enough food for everyone.

I hope that you are getting prepared for that, because next year is just around the corner.

:(
China massive South to North water diversion project come to mind....lol again complacency KILLS, China realized and are investing to protect herself against Climate Change and are being criticized for being successful. What a World we Live in...lol
 

martinwagner

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China massive South to North water diversion project come to mind....lol again complacency KILLS, China realized and are investing to protect herself against Climate Change and are being criticized for being successful. What a World we Live in...lol
I am so glad China had the foresight to safeguard all of the essentials: clean water, food/grain, energy, etc. One can always look to China for safety when all else fails.
 

ansy1968

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I am so glad China had the foresight to safeguard all of the essentials: clean water, food/grain, energy, etc. One can always look to China for safety when all else fails.
Bro I don't want to sound triumphalism BUT Europe used to be proactive what happened? The Collective West had been sponsoring Climate Change Summit and conferences and yet they are ill prepared. Maybe after these they may able to acted decisively BUT the political cynicism and lack of trust on gov't and its institution we may see a reverse and I'm afraid a bloody revolution is coming as the population go hungry.
 

martinwagner

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Bro I don't want to sound triumphalism BUT Europe used to be proactive what happened? The Collective West had been sponsoring Climate Change Summit and conferences and yet they are ill prepared. Maybe after these they may able to acted decisively BUT the political cynicism and lack of trust on gov't and its institution we may see a reverse and I'm afraid a bloody revolution is coming as the population go hungry.
I think this article could provide some clues:
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Just one of the plans of the Great Reset, destroying the food/financial supply to herd us into permanent servitude to the elites future prisons...
 

Chevalier

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Bro I don't want to sound triumphalism BUT Europe used to be proactive what happened? The Collective West had been sponsoring Climate Change Summit and conferences and yet they are ill prepared. Maybe after these they may able to acted decisively BUT the political cynicism and lack of trust on gov't and its institution we may see a reverse and I'm afraid a bloody revolution is coming as the population go hungry.
The theory that Climate Change (real or not) was an opportunistic excuse for the Atlanticist West to force poverty and de-industrialisation on the rest of the world, appears to bear more and more weight, especially with Germany re-firing up old coal stations.
 
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