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BlackWindMnt

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Bro I don't want to sound triumphalism BUT Europe used to be proactive what happened? The Collective West had been sponsoring Climate Change Summit and conferences and yet they are ill prepared. Maybe after these they may able to acted decisively BUT the political cynicism and lack of trust on gov't and its institution we may see a reverse and I'm afraid a bloody revolution is coming as the population go hungry.
I don't know i'm getting more and more convinced that the climate change stuff(extreme global warming stuff) from the west was just used as a Malthusian scheme to stop development and depopulate the global south after ww2. How easy Europe switched back to wood burning and coal when gas became limited kind of shocked me...

All Europe and the US seems to be doing was putting up the illusion of being green, acting like they are green by stopping/pausing their coal and nuclear energy sources. They probably knew that when energy was scare they could just reactivate their energy sources while the global south build up unstable green energy sources, unstable farming practices just a complete unstable economy in general. So when the west creates some chaos things will fall like dominos.
 

AndrewS

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I don't know i'm getting more and more convinced that the climate change stuff(extreme global warming stuff) from the west was just used as a Malthusian scheme to stop development and depopulate the global south after ww2. How easy Europe switched back to wood burning and coal when gas became limited kind of shocked me...

All Europe and the US seems to be doing was putting up the illusion of being green, acting like they are green by stopping/pausing their coal and nuclear energy sources. They probably knew that when energy was scare they could just reactivate their energy sources while the global south build up unstable green energy sources, unstable farming practices just a complete unstable economy in general. So when the west creates some chaos things will fall like dominos.

The US never really took climate change seriously.

In comparison, Germany was serious and was willing to pay really high electricity costs for that clean energy. They dragged along the rest of Europe.

Plus remember that China leads in renewable electricity (wind,solar,hydro). Since 2020, more renewable electricity was installed in China than the rest of the world combined. Solar doesn't need subsidies anymore in many parts of the sunny world.

So it wasn't some Malthusian scheme to depopulate the Global South.
 

pmc

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The US never really took climate change seriously.

In comparison, Germany was serious and was willing to pay really high electricity costs for that clean energy. They dragged along the rest of Europe.
California the High gdp state that is leader in clean energy. It is US penalties that forced Germany to abandon diesels at accelerated pace.
German is basically fraud in the name of renewables. it unilaterally abandon Nuclear without European consensus that will ultimately damage supply chains for this technology. both France and Eastern EU will suffer.
 

baykalov

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UK Worker Shortage Leaves £60 Million of Food to Rot in Fields

Tens of millions of pounds worth of fresh produce is being left to rot in UK fields because farmers can’t attract enough workers to pick crops, just as the cost-of-living crisis worsens.

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, the farm industry often finds it particularly difficult to lure workers as jobs are seasonal and can mean long hours of physical labor at relatively low pay. Brexit has also complicated recruitment from the European Union. Thousands of
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have been culled on British farms since last year because of staff shortages at meat plants.

The wasted food also comes as the UK recorded its
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since 1935, further crimping production.

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So much for a collapse in the Russian economy. A 4.2% decline will be equivalent to what a lot of western countries will be experiencing this year. It's also less than half the GDP decline all western countries have experienced at least twice in the last 2 decades, once during the 2008 crisis and again during COVID.

Also unlike the west the drop in GDP will be compensated by record state revenues. Inflation is high but will be lower than that seen in the west. The most essential things like fuel, energy and food are cheaper than the west. Things that have become expensive like cars, consumer goods that were previously sourced from the west will now be sourced directly from China and other non-sanctioning countries.
 

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Firmly holding the Germans by the throat and balls...


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Why Germany won’t get tough on Beijing — even if it invades Taiwan

The German economy is even more dependent on China than it is on Russia.

Olaf Scholz (while Mayor of Hamburg) meets China's Xi Jinping | Patrik Stollarz/AFP via Getty Images

By Matthew Karnitschnig August 12, 2022 4:00 am

BERLIN — Germany’s Wagnerian foreign policy spectacle is moving east.

Spoiler alert: It’s even worse than the original.

For months, Berlin has frustrated (read enraged) many allies with its one step forward, two steps back approach to confronting Russia over Ukraine. Yet that tortured episode is looking like little more than an overture to what’s brewing in Asia, as tensions over Taiwan force Berlin to weigh how it would respond if Beijing tries to seize the island nation, which China considers a breakaway region.

If that happens, the U.S. and other Western allies would push for tough sanctions against China. Germany is unlikely to be among them, a course that could protect its export-driven economy, but damage both its own and Europe’s international credibility.

Asked Thursday whether Germany could afford to support sanctions in the event of a Chinese invasion, Chancellor Olaf Scholz dodged the question, while reprimanding German industry for ignoring the maxim “to not put all your eggs in one basket.”

“The question of our country’s dependence in crucial areas concerning supply chains, raw materials and other things is a necessary element of our national security strategy, which we’re working on at the moment,” he added, without mentioning China by name.

Others have been more direct. German industry’s reliance on exports has “created a dependency that leaves us helpless,” Norbert Röttgen, a prominent center-right MP, told German television earlier this week.

Could Germany back sanctions against China?

“At the moment, not really,” said Röttgen, a former minister and longtime chairman of the German parliament’s foreign policy committee.

While the debate is in many respects a redux of Germany’s manic handwringing over whether and how to confront Russia over Ukraine, this time even more is at stake.

Germany’s big concern over antagonizing Moscow was losing access to cheap energy. With Beijing, it’s about losing the foundation of its economic prosperity. In recent years, China has overtaken the U.S. to become Germany’s biggest trading partner, accounting for nearly 10 percent of the country’s €2.6 trillion in foreign trade last year. What’s more, China, which has propelled the German economy for decades, remains a key growth driver.

That’s why reducing German industry’s reliance on the country is easier said than done.
A Chinese military jet flies over Pingtan island, one of mainland China’s closest point from Taiwan | Hector Retamal/AFP via Getty Images)

“The degree to which our prosperity is funded by China is extremely underestimated in this country,” Volkswagen Chief Executive Herbert Diess said in a recent interview. “Germany would look a lot different if we were to decouple.”

Indeed, no German industry is more dependent on China than Diess’ own. Every third car produced by German carmakers is sold in China. German carmakers also operate a substantial network of factories in China itself, producing 4.3 million cars there in 2021 alone.

“The German car industry, like the rest of the world, is watching the tensions between China and Taiwan with concern,” said a spokeswoman for the industry’s lobbying arm, known as the VDA.

“Panic” might be a better word.

VW’s Diess, who is due to step down as head of Europe’s largest automaker later this month, says that China is “indispensable” for the company’s future.

The picture is similar across other key German export sectors, from chemicals to machinery. About 1.1 million German jobs, or 2.4 percent of the total, directly rely on Chinese consumption, according to a June study by the Cologne-based German Economic Institute.

Though Germany and the rest of the EU are crucial markets for China as well, the study notes that the Chinese are reducing their dependence on the region, while European exposure to China is increasing.

In an urgent plea, study author Jürgen Matthes said it was “high time” for Europe and Germany to reverse course and reduce their economic reliance on China.

“It’s not about decoupling, but rather limiting dependencies, especially through more diversification,” he wrote.

Yet just as it took decades for German industry to establish itself in China, pulling back won’t happen overnight — especially considering that few regions around the world offer the kind of reliable growth that China does.

Hence Germany’s quandary.

“In the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan followed by massive Western sanctions, export and revenue declines as well the suspension of deliveries out of China would lead to considerable economic losses in the EU and especially in Germany,” Matthes concluded.

Every third car produced by German carmakers is sold in China | Stringer/Getty Images via AsiaPac

Given that outlook, German support for substantial Western sanctions is doubtful. Though Berlin backed tough measures on Moscow after the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February, the potential economic fallout for Germany was limited and largely for show.

Even as Scholz suspended the controversial Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project with Russia, for example, he also tried to ringfence Germany’s core energy interests by rejecting calls for an all-out gas embargo.

That strategy didn’t pan out as he’d hoped, but only because the Russians themselves reduced the flow of natural gas to Europe. The ongoing gas shortage in Germany, which threatens to hobble key industrial sectors, will inevitably influence how the government responds to a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan. With inflation high and energy prices showing no signs of falling, Germany can ill afford another hit to its flagging economy.

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Xi Dada looking gigachad in that photo. Who dat guy to the right of him?
 

ficker22

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It's the German chancellor. Scholz must feel like a filthy untermensch after getting height, frame, and hair-mogged by Giga Chang Xi like that.



He is like straight outta A-B I tell you, like didn't get enough nutrients as a child or something.
 

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