EU Navy Combined Fleet: Views & News

TerraN_EmpirE said:

The garibaldi is 32 years old she would not need replacement for at least another twenty years guys. That's plenty of time for things to change on the ground.

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Unlike Greece who doesn't have a penny to spend on its navy Italy on the other hand is doing extremely well

Italy plans to spend €5.8 over the next few years in the construction of more than 10 warships

This is made up of 8 multi purpose vessals, anmphibious assault vessal and a replenishment ship

The Amphibous assault vessal is under deign stage Fincantieri which will be like a LHD to replace one of the San Giorgio Class vessals

Larger design are underway to replace both flat tops by 2025 which really means Italy is expanding its naval flat tops

Italy is actually really good position second only to the UK and France, Spain is on its way down after retiring more Harriers

Next one to watch is Turkey although not in the same European sense they are building a large naval fleet

asif iqbal said:

Unlike Greece who doesn't have a penny to spend on its navy Italy on the other hand is doing extremely well

Italy plans to spend €5.8 over the next few years in the construction of more than 10 warships

This is made up of 8 multi purpose vessals, anmphibious assault vessal and a replenishment ship

The Amphibous assault vessal is under deign stage Fincantieri which will be like a LHD to replace one of the San Giorgio Class vessals

Larger design are underway to replace both flat tops by 2025 which really means Italy is expanding its naval flat tops

Italy is actually really good position second only to the UK and France, Spain is on its way down after retiring more Harriers

Next one to watch is Turkey although not in the same European sense they are building a large naval fleet

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You're unreasonably optimistic about Italy's ability to pay for these plans. Let's wait and see what happens to the economies of European countries.

delft said:

You're unreasonably optimistic about Italy's ability to pay for these plans. Let's wait and see what happens to the economies of European countries.

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This is not my personally opinion delft it's the summary of Italian Navy

The multipurpose mission ships have the following configuration and they are in the works as we speak

127mm gun
76mm gun (aft)
VLS cells to carry Aster 30 as well as Scalp and Tomahawks
Plus two NH-90 helos
Two small boats launched from ship
Water jet propulsion to clock 35+ knots

Requirement is for 8 ships and two minesweepers

Also the fund have been released to purchase the 7th and 8th FREMM frigates from a order of 10 which are likely all to be build

How many country's do you know set a tender for 10 warships and then actually build 10, usually they stop at like 4 or 6

Italy is doing really well and they are extremely well eqipped and hard working people, Greece and Spain and sit back and watch

Very soon thy will be 3rd best in Europe after UK and France no questions about that

asif iqbal said:

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Italy is doing really well and they are extremely well eqipped and hard working people, Greece and Spain and sit back and watch

Very soon thy will be 3rd best in Europe after UK and France no questions about that

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Ranking in the World * Country * Debt-to-GDP ratio in % (according to CIA

3 Greece 156.90
7 Italy 126.90
17 France 90.30
19 United Kingdom 88.70
26 Spain 84.10

asif iqbal said:

This is not my personally opinion delft it's the summary of Italian Navy

The multipurpose mission ships have the following configuration and they are in the works as we speak

127mm gun
76mm gun (aft)
VLS cells to carry Aster 30 as well as Scalp and Tomahawks
Plus two NH-90 helos
Two small boats launched from ship
Water jet propulsion to clock 35+ knots

Requirement is for 8 ships and two minesweepers

Also the fund have been released to purchase the 7th and 8th FREMM frigates from a order of 10 which are likely all to be build

How many country's do you know set a tender for 10 warships and then actually build 10, usually they stop at like 4 or 6

Italy is doing really well and they are extremely well eqipped and hard working people, Greece and Spain and sit back and watch

Very soon thy will be 3rd best in Europe after UK and France no questions about that

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I understand. They are whistling in the dark.

Italy has its plans...only time will tell if they can afford them. As it is, they have two very decent Horizon class escorts and are building several FREMM Class FFGs as well, along with their LPDs and SSKs. They have two aircraft carriers and both are operational. That is what they have.

Other nations are working to their plans. The UK with its two carriers, six Darings, thirteen Duke class...to be replaced by thirteen Type 26, and their SSNs. France has the CDG, two Horizons and building their own FREMMs with numerous Lafayette and other vessels as well as their SSNs. Spain ahs the Juan Carlos, five AEGIS vessels, and numerous other frigates and their SSKs.

As this thread indicates, the combined EU navy is a very powerful force potentially, but only if they can jointly operate together. However, through NATO exercises many of the European nations have been practicing operating together, jointly for decades.

Time alone will tell if they can maintain their current numbers and operational tempos such that they remain such a potential force.

The Southern Flank: it's the Giuseppe Garibaldi in front, the other is Príncipe de Asturias (R11)?

Jura said:

The Southern Flank: it's the Giuseppe Garibaldi in front, the other is Príncipe de Asturias (R11)?

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That is the Italian carrier in front...which they are now using as an LHP until their new LHDs are built.

That is the Spanish Príncipe de Asturias in the background (otherwise it would have to be the Thai carrier which is very similar, but doesn't get out much), however, this must be an older picture, because the Príncipe de Asturias was taken out of service and decommissioned on February 6, 2013.

Jeff Head said:

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however, this must be an older picture, because the Príncipe de Asturias was taken out of service and decommissioned on February 6, 2013.

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yeah, quite often the Italian Navy puts up on the Facebook "nostalgic" pictures (for example the 1972 Audace destroyer, a beauty or I was amazed by the Andre Doria missile cruiser, etc. etc.)

and what's your take on this:
the Príncipe de Asturias allegedly wanted by ... Angola?

Jura said:

yeah, quite often the Italian Navy puts up on the Facebook "nostalgic" pictures (for example the 1972 Audace destroyer, a beauty or I was amazed by the Andre Doria missile cruiser, etc. etc.)

and what's your take on this:

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the Príncipe de Asturias allegedly wanted by ... Angola?

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I have read about this...and really dounbt it will happen.

It's not just the Austrias, it four other retired Spanish vessels.

P-27 Ízaro (Anaga Class), 300 ton patrol boat with a 76mm gun and a 20mm autocannon, and crew of 27.
P-61 Chilreu (Chilreu Class), 2,000 ton patrol vessel, with two 12.7mm machine guns, a heli-pad, and crew of 36.
F-32 Diana (Descubierta Class), 1,500 ton corvette, 76mm gun, 2 40mm guns, 8 harpoons, Sea PArrow SAM, crew of 118.
L-42 Pizarro (Newport News Class) former US Navy, 8,500 ton LST, capable of 400 marines, 1 20mm CIWS, 2 25mm guns, crew of 240.

In addition to the 800 needed to crew these vessels, the Princpe de Austrias requires 800 crew. That's 1,600 needed just to crew these vessels, much less support and maintain them.

Currently the entire Angolan Navy consists of something near 1,000 personnel with their largest vessel a Fast Attack Craft and a few small patrol craft. They also have two search aircraft.

I do not see how they could afford to man and maintain these large vessels. I just do not see it happening.