You mean propaganda?
Espionage involving China
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there is no propaganda there. Perhaps, you dont want to accept the fact that china tries to dominate the world's market by every means. that's smart from china's perspective and to prevent that is smart from the USA's perspective. These are just cases of industrial espionage. Dear @vincent, no one has stolen foreign intellectual property in dollar terms after the turning of this century as much as china has. There are lots of cases of propaganda coming out of USA, but this one has nothing to do with propaganda. Actually, calling this an american propaganda sounds like a desperate attempt to whitewash chinese industry-wide IP theft
China has very few cases open against it in the relevant enforcement systems about IP.
I actually wish China would/seize void hostile foreign IP as compensation for past and current threats from certain foreign countries, but they're factually speaking very by the book and following international law.
I thought magmunta was just posting western propaganda ironically, turns out he really believes them.
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I don't care how much genuine IP theft China commits, and not only because it's all fair game (voluntarily abstaining from such "dirty" tactics is what would be pathetic and stupid). The US and all its propaganda institutions do so much crying wolf and fabrication of lies that all of it can and should be categorically dismissed as propaganda. Sorry, no one can tell where the truth ends and bullshit begins, nor should anyone have to endeavour to ascertain that. You've discredited all that you say forever.
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I believe that Chinese "IP theft" is greatly exaggerated, not because they are some saints, but that simply there is no need for that.
The majority of US companies are simply willing to move production to China and give them their IP and industry secrets in that way easily.
It is just that in typical American fashion, you refuse to blame your turbo-capitalist inferior shit system and real culprits and yourself for allowing.
This is logical if you think about it, US executives and shareholders want profits at all cost, government is in their pocket, citizens stupid.
This is probably how the greatest amount of the US high-tech manufacturing base transferred to China over time, no matter how you look at it.
China takes advantage of this not because they couldn't do it without American company, but that its much faster in this way initially.
Btw, much greater "theft" exists in terms of the US doing an imperialistic brain drain on many unfortunate developing countries that will now never develop, stealing the majority of their most intelligent talent (educated at the expense of those countries' tax payer money btw at most cases) that they will never get back. This is truly paralyzing, unrecoverable, not some IP theft. People don't realize how crucial those top percentiles are for any kind of progress in any area of society. Or how beneficial to the US those people are that make up the majority of their scientists now and a large percentage of engineers. Without them, the US is nothing.
Let's not get into other US imperialists' crimes like stealing capita generated from the RoW into their assets, wars, resources stealing by force, resources stealing indirectly, etc. China is in fact one of the few rarest countries in modern types that developed IN SPITE of colonialism -imperialism, not BECAUSE of it. China is known as a world-famous win-win paragon now.
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If China stole so much IP’s, why Americans let Chinese products to be sold in Western markets instead of suing the producers for IP theft and stop importing them?
Because 9 times out of 10 they've sold the IP to China for manufacturing. In the real world, we call that trade & business but they ain't gonna tell the Americans.
This is the 2 wheel stand-up scooter drama all over again. A dumb idiot makes a scooter and tries to sell it for $75K but surprise surprise, no one in their right mind would buy it. Later sold the IP to a Chinese company that not only improved it but sold it at $700 and it sold like hotcakes. OFC you know how this goes, westerners see a successful item being sold by the Chinese and see it's of western origins and will scream IP theft.
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Why doesn’t the US bring it up at the WTO? It’s because they don’t have a case. They can only accuse because to bring it up legitimately means they have prove it which they know they have flimsy evidence hence why they can’t officially lodge a case. To do that and get rejected means they are the boy who cried wolf officially on record to discredit them in the future. This way they can go on fooling people into automatically believing it’s true because no can say otherwise. Also the US accuses forced transfer of technology. No they gave it to China willingly to have access to the Chinese market. They could just say no to exchanging technology for access. They instead said yes. The US living on the lie China buys nothing from the US to make it look like they’re the victim. If that were true, the US wouldn’t be complaining about China stopping buying agricultural products. They wouldn’t have stopped selling semiconductors to China for leverage if it were buying nothing from the US. Then what about the whining that China killed off the US’s spy ring network they built in China? That’s admitting the US was conducting espionage in China. Hypocrites of the highest order when complaining about China for something they were doing themselves. By now any accusations of espionage by the US by China can and should be ignored. If they could punish China they would be instead of whining about it. They have no power to do anything that China cannot hurt the US back. That’s why it’s all talk by the US.
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