ECS ADIZ: it's about sovereignty (CLOSED FOR COOLING OFF)

Blackstone · Apr 23, 2017

antiterror13 said:
well @SamuraiBlue turns into something that shows his true colour ... thats always hapepnes when he is cornered ... very annoying ... hope the Mods will do something about it

I agree with the essence of your message. On the other hand, empathy (not sympathy) for the other side is necessary to gain some understanding of the other side. So, if we put ourselves in Blue's place, what is the primary condition of the SDF forum? It is the overwhelming ethos of pro-PRC posters, with no shortage of fanbois. So, it's easy to see why opponents or critics of China's civilization, policies, actions, and the ripples its reemergence has and continues to cast would be intensely alarmed.

Fearful people tend not to make the best decisions, and it's fair to say Japan fear the reemergence of China back to its traditional place. And guess what? It's not the only country that fears China's reemergence.

manqiangrexue · Apr 23, 2017

SamuraiBlue said:
Then take it up to the ICJ for clarification. Basically the reason why PRC doesn't is because they know they will be laughed out of court.

I don't expect you to understand this, being not a member of the club, but powerful nations like the US, China, Russia, submit themselves to no courts because their powers are greater than any court. Only small nations like Philippines and Japan must bribe and beg courts to give a rendering that is toothless against any large power.

End of story.

For Japan. For China, the story has just begun.

taxiya · Apr 23, 2017

SamuraiBlue said:
Then take it up to the ICJ for clarification. Basically the reason why PRC doesn't is because they know they will be laughed out of court.
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You wish.

Unfortunately for you, ICJ does NOT Automatically have jurisdiction over ANY member state (including China) if that state does not grant ICJ jurisdiction over a specific case before hand. And you can keep on wishing, but China will not grant that jurisdiction.

Here is something for your self-education. Read the ICJ charter about its jurisdiction

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I understand that being a Japanese you are inclined to "attack" China whenever possible with whatever means and often you try to use international law to justify your "attack". BUT, please educate yourself before you do so. ICJ (and other international law) is NOT your weapon, they don't belong to you.

You will be the one being laughed away at the door of the court, because you can't even enter the court as without China's agreement to ICJ jurisdiction of your case, ICJ can't let you in.

Jeff Head · Apr 23, 2017

Guys...Both sides need to cool off over this issue.

China has an ADIZ, Japan and the US do not recognize it. The difference is not apt to be resolved anytime in the near future.

If the heated posts continue...this thread will simply be closed.

Talk about it...but fo not get offensive.

Really, personally, because the differences are so clear, there is not much to talk about at this point...certaainly we are not going to resolve it here on SD. It is only apt to lead to...well, heated exchanges as it is.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MODERATION.

SamuraiBlue · Apr 23, 2017

Blackstone said:
You are going off the rails again and deviating from civil discussion into the realm of pique. Unless you retract the parts in bold, I will take your emotional outburst as evidence further discussions with you is fruitless, until you recover your senses. You and I got pass some ad hominid stuff, so I hope you don't start down that track again.

You are in no position to lecture anyone of civil discussion.
Read you last post boy. Who is everyone?
The world does not recognize PRC's claim and the only way to make it a legal dispute is either PRC lodge a claim to ICJ or seize it by military force closing any chance of the global society accepting PRC's claim.

Blackstone · Apr 23, 2017

SamuraiBlue said:
You are in no position to lecture anyone of civil discussion.
Read you last post boy. Who is everyone?
The world does not recognize PRC's claim and the only way to make it a legal dispute is either PRC lodge a claim to ICJ or seize it by military force closing any chance of the global society accepting PRC's claim.

By everyone, I was pointing to the fact no country in the community of nations (UN) recognizes Diaoyu is Japanese sovereignty territory. We've come to a time where no country dares to declare Japan owns Diaoyu. It'll only get worse for Japan. Clear enough for you, boy?

Since it's easy for both of us to pull articles, books, and white papers supporting our respective sides, let's pretend we did it, and dismissed the other side as propaganda and lies. Which leaves facts in the water as currency. So, what are the facts? The facts are China regularly sends air force, navy, and coast guard patrols around Diaoyu and will increase that going forward. China will eventually acquire such overwhelming power it will simply push Japan out, with or without a shooting war. There's nothing Japan could do about it, and crying to the United States wouldn't help.

In summary:
China will recover territory unjustly taken by imperial conquest;
Japan can't stop it;
US will not come to Japan's rescue;
Japan is alone;
Japan will take it;
Japan will like it.

SamuraiBlue · Apr 23, 2017

Blackstone said:
By everyone, I was pointing to the fact no country in the community of nations (UN) recognizes Diaoyu is Japanese sovereignty territory. We've come to a time where no country dares to declare Japan owns Diaoyu. It'll only get worse for Japan. Clear enough for you, boy?

Since it's easy for both of us to pull articles, books, and white papers supporting our respective sides, let's pretend we did it, and dismissed the other side as propaganda and lies. Which leaves facts in the water as currency. So, what are the facts? The facts are China regularly sends air force, navy, and coast guard patrols around Diaoyu and will increase that going forward. China will eventually acquire such overwhelming power it will simply push Japan out, with or without a shooting war. There's nothing Japan could do about it, and crying to the United States wouldn't help.

In summary:
China will recover territory unjustly taken by imperial conquest;
Japan can't stop it;
US will not come to Japan's rescue;
Japan is alone;
Japan will take it;
Japan will like it.

In your dreams little boy, in your dreams. Am getting tied of your personal crusade showing zero facts fantasizing your opinion as if it the general consensus.
The nations that signed the SF peace treaty all agreed that Senkaku is Japan's sovereign territory which has not change to this day since the SF peace treaty still holds true.

Blackstone · Apr 23, 2017

SamuraiBlue said:
In your dreams little boy, in your dreams. Am getting tied of your personal crusade showing zero facts fantasizing your opinion as if it the general consensus.
The nations that signed the SF peace treaty all agreed that Senkaku is Japan's sovereign territory which has not change to this day since the SF peace treaty still holds true.

What crap from a know nothing. Japan will return Diaoyu in peace or in pieces. It's up to you people.

azesus · Apr 23, 2017

Blackstone said:
What crap from a know nothing. Japan will return Diaoyu in peace or in pieces. It's up to you people.

Don't take SB seriously, he simply is just a NEET looking for attention or validation because he is a product of the Lost Generation from the Lost Decade, always whining tantrum like a childish Nobita still dreaming Doraemon will come and save him, hahaha

PiSigma · Apr 23, 2017

SamuraiBlue said:
In your dreams little boy, in your dreams. Am getting tied of your personal crusade showing zero facts fantasizing your opinion as if it the general consensus.
The nations that signed the SF peace treaty all agreed that Senkaku is Japan's sovereign territory which has not change to this day since the SF peace treaty still holds true.

The SF treaty also says Japan is four islands. Why is the Japanese going around conquering islands that don't belong to them like awaji? And anything south of Kyushu?

After all, as part of the victors we certainly didn't all agree Japan should have them.

I think as the winner of the pacific war, USA should inherit all those other islands that Japan claims outside of the four islands. And any other islands that Japan took by aggression from before ww2 returned to rightful owners.

Maybe bring back Ezo republic for hokkaido.

ECS ADIZ: it's about sovereignty (CLOSED FOR COOLING OFF)

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