Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

gadgetcool5 said:

I forgot to tell my final prediction: Throughout all of China's decline, as its economy gets worse, it falls further and further behind, its population and power disappear... the Chinese nationalists will keep saying everything is good, too strong economy is bad, power is bad, people is bad, success is bad, they are happy to see China decline because less pollution, who needs China anyway? China is happy to be a small, weak country, poor, isolated, hated by all, and disappearing. They will insist to the end it is all good and better.

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That is a terrible prediction.

It's much more likely that in 20 years time, the Chinese economy will be 2x larger than the USA and technologically world leading.

The Chinese government and Chinese business are fully behind the desire to replace US technology with domestic alternatives that cannot be sanctioned.

That will continue to drive explosive growth in Chinese R&D spending, which is already at 2.4% of GDP today and still growing. Every other low-income or middle-income country is stuck at low productivity levels with R&D spending of less than 1.1%.

That will help drive productivity improvements in China, and likely means China will escape the middle-income trap and become a high-income country.

AndrewS said:

That is a terrible prediction.

It's much more likely that in 20 years time, the Chinese economy will be 2x larger than the USA and technologically world leading.

The Chinese government and Chinese business are fully behind the desire to replace US technology with domestic alternatives that cannot be sanctioned.

That will continue to drive explosive growth in Chinese R&D spending, which is already at 2.4% of GDP today and still growing. Every other low-income or middle-income country is stuck at low productivity levels with R&D spending of less than 1.1%.

That will help drive productivity improvements in China, and likely means China will escape the middle-income trap and become a high-income country.

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Yes I dont know what that previous poster is smoking but the technological prowess of China today is a result of research spending from the 1990s. As the economy frows, and R&D spending increases and the innovation system gets more mature then China's scientific output will accelerate even more than the normal growth trends.

This is what scares the US. The growing scientific & innovation clusters, which mostly started growing in 2010, will get more funding and become more matures with better institutions.
All the currentl labs and pilot programs are relatively new due to being late to funding them. But when they fully accelarate thats when the things become truly difficult for the US.

If you want more details check the full innovation index report and specifically check China's progress in innovation and see the charts where it is compared with other countries.

Sleepyjam said:

At this point the Fed is just monetizing the debt while China is reducing leverage. More investments are going to China, smart people know where to place their bets. By the way becareful out there unlike in China you might actually be assaulted or be killed for being Asian.

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And that anti-Chinese racism in the US is spreading to any group that looks yellow, because many Americans either can't tell the difference or don't care.

So basically that covers:

1. East Asia (Japan, Korea, Taiwan)
2. South Asia (Vietnam, Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar, Thailand etc)
3. Central Asia (Kazakhstan etc)

And this anti-Asian racism isn't going to go away,

From a government point of view, these countries know that half of the US population voted for Trump and his politics of xenophobia and white supremacy. This racial hierarchy is deeply embedded in US culture from its founding as a slave-society and is a feature of the USA, despite all this time.

There's also a good chance that Trump or his successor will win the next Presidential election and carry on as before. Plus as China continues to surpass the USA, we can expect to see more political attacks on China for at least another 10 years.

So I think this will contribute to Asian governments being wary of signing up to US policies to contain China.
After all, you can expect politicians to have some self-respect when they see a US being racist to them.

Following on from this, it looks like China is going with the Five Eyes as "An axis of white supremacy"

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For the USA and Australia, I don't see how they can get out of this charge.

Their histories are explicitly about white supremacy (slavery, segregation and the White Australia policy), and it still remains a powerful political constituency within these societies.

So China continuing this line of media is probably going to work.
It will also push the current governments in Australia and the USA to tone down their attacks on China.

can you post the text pls; Fuck the murdoch press

AndrewS said:

Following on from this, it looks like China is going with the Five Eyes as "An axis of white supremacy"

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For the USA and Australia, I don't see how they can get out of this charge.

Their histories are explicitly about white supremacy (slavery, segregation and the White Australia policy), and it still remains a powerful political constituency within these societies.

So China continuing this line of media is probably going to work.
It will also push the current governments in Australia and the USA to tone down their attacks on China.

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Its a non brainer strategy from China.
US and vassals already started the narrative war with the Xinjian thing.

Now China's narrative is going to be racist white supremacist nations. And gives plenty of benefits to China, because all these Asian-Americans(another racist US invention, as if all these different people are grouped as Asians) facing attacks in the US are not only Chinese but from other Asian countries such as S.Koreans, Philippines, Japanese, Vietnamese etc.

So by having China raising the flag in support for the Asian-Americans which are facing daily attacks and racism it can unite all these ethnicities under the Chinese banner representing the whole Asia. So inadvertently the China will be shown as a defender of the whole Asian people and their civilisation.

This is an extremely good move by China, however it took them too long to start supporting this narrative. But better later than never, so China can now present itself in a moral way which for so long was exclusively only used by the US

voyager1 said:

Its a non brainer strategy from China.
US and vassals already started the narrative war with the Xinjian thing.

Now China's narrative is going to be racist white supremacist nations. And gives plenty of benefits to China, because all these Asian-Americans(another racist US invention, as if all these different people are grouped as Asians) facing attacks in the US are not only Chinese but from other Asian countries such as S.Koreans, Philippines, Japanese, Vietnamese etc.

So by having China raising the flag in support for the Asian-Americans which are facing daily attacks and racism it can unite all these ethnicities under the Chinese banner representing the whole Asia. So inadvertently the China will be shown as a defender of the whole Asian people and their civilisation.

This is an extremely good move by China, however it took them too long to start supporting this narrative. But better later than never, so China can now present itself in a moral way which for so long was exclusively only used by the US

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Xi Jinping tried out "Asia for Asians" back in 2014, but it didn't fly.

But now we see blatant anti-Asian racism in the USA.
So it's going to be more effective this time around.

When I think about it. What are the odds of a US-China war actually breaking out in the next 10 years? I'd say the risk is at least 10%.

If a war were to happen, Asian-Americans would really be screwed if they were still in the USA. And even if there isn't a war, Asian-Americans are still looking at a minimum of 10 years of continued China-bashing.

So if you look Asian, I think it is time to get out of the USA if you can.

AndrewS said:

Following on from this, it looks like China is going with the Five Eyes as "An axis of white supremacy"

Edit to Global Times article

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For the USA and Australia, I don't see how they can get out of this charge.

Their histories are explicitly about white supremacy (slavery, segregation and the White Australia policy), and it still remains a powerful political constituency within these societies.

So China continuing this line of media is probably going to work.
It will also push the current governments in Australia and the USA to tone down their attacks on China.

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@AndrewS woah!!! The Chinese are fighting back, you never heard such language from the Chinese since 1978 Deng reform, the gloves are off, we will hear more from GT.

AndrewS said:

Xi Jinping tried out "Asia for Asians" back in 2014, but it didn't fly.

But now we see blatant anti-Asian racism in the USA.
So it's going to be more effective this time around.

When I think about it. What are the odds of a US-China war actually breaking out in the next 10 years? I'd say the risk is at least 10%.

If a war were to happen, Asian-Americans would really be screwed if they were still in the USA. And even if there isn't a war, Asian-Americans are still looking at a minimum of 10 years of continued China-bashing.

So if you look Asian, I think it is time to get out of the USA if you can.

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The attacks will continue and they will likely grow even more as China grows and US stagnates (unless Biden manages to redistribute wealth), can you imagine what will happen when China in 2030 gets much more advanced than now. The americans, which for all their lifetime drunk the "USA Number 1!" kool-aid will start attacking Asian-Americans.
This had happened before on the Japanese during the 1980s.

China should immediately start hammering the US on this aspect from multiple fronts, media statements, UN Human rights, multi-countries statements (Russia, Iran etc), form forums against white-supremacy and invite speakers and media from around the world.

This narrative is extremely strong and it will make China gain friends from the Muslim world, poor countries, Asian countries, Latin America countries, Africa.

People still remember colonialism from the white but the colonial countries now are deflecting by saying that was the past and now we are different etc. By emphasising white supremacy, China can show that the colonial countries have not fundamentally changed and they still want to "enslave" other countries. Winning strategy here for China

ansy1968 said:

@AndrewS woah!!! The Chinese are fighting back, you never heard such language from the Chinese since 1978 Deng reform, the gloves are off, we will hear more from GT.

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Yes. But remember that the majority of Americans agree there is a racism problem. See the 2019 pew survey below.

Note this was conducted prior to COVID and prior to Black Lives Matter, which highlighted the issues.
So today, there is almost certainly a larger percentage who now accept there is systemic racism in US society.