Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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j17wang

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His posts may be on the extreme side, but it certainly isn't baseless. Maybe not in 6-12 months, but 6-12 years? Doesn't sound as crazy as it would have only a year ago.

A storm is gathering, and it's only a matter of time before it breaks.

Why is it extreme? I said there was going to be massacres against asians last year around August, nobody believed me. The only surprising thing is it happened AFTER the Trump presidency, which means this is truely the normal affairs of America going forward.

People dont realize that right now, is actually the BEST of all scenarios between US and China. Had trump won the presidency, it would be far worse and the level of attacks against Asians in Atlanta would have been "what happens on a good day". Also, aren't like half our members already being locked out from security access at work, and getting fired for being chinese already?

Not sure why we would want to censor all this stuff, the more straight forward we are, the better we can find actual solutions to what will be ahead of us, no matter how unpalatable they may be.
 

j17wang

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In my view it's because he's a hard-left communist whose goal is to reverse the gains China has made since 1978 and return to a planned economy & Maoist foreign policy. So Chinese tech can't succeed as that makes the SOEs look bad. He can't do it all at once due to his limited power & broad support for opening & reform in China which was initiated by Deng and has benefitted the Chinese people. But as he slowly consolidates more power he will put his plan into action (especially after Li Keqiang retires next year). A big tell is that before the recent Two Session, Hua Guofeng was heavily praised but Deng Xiaoping was not mentioned.

Okay, its your view and thats fine. But do you have specific companies in mind? Do you think he is going to do some forced technology transfer? or force a company to regress into a prior operating system (i.e. forcing a company to go to 4G from 5G to show his "power". I still dont understand.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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No, in 6-12 months the US will have passed even tougher legislation increasing its own investment in technology and 5G infrastructure, and be defining core technologies that it works with partners and allies to define export controls on. Unlike the export controls announced by Trump on individual companies this will affect millions of companies so it will hurt a lot more for China. The chances are it'll also be more multilateral, they will try to rope in the Quad, the EU, TW and SK. China is on the path to isolation here. Meanwhile in 6-12 months Xi Jinping will crack down even more on Chinese tech and the Chinese tech sector will progressively be strangled by the US-Xi Jinping alliance against them.

Literally every major government in the world is against Chinese tech right now, even China. Literally the only place Chinese tech can succeed is Singapore. If I was a Chinese tech talent in China right now I would leave the mainland and emigrate to Singapore, and develop products for the ASEAN market.
Here we go again with yet another chicken little analogy from you. Another Xi Jinping is to blame for American belligerence and aggressive move. Gtfoh clown. China isn't America and it's not trying to become one. You keep harping on vacuous and inane statements like really? You're sounding like an FGL cultist.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Okay, its your view and thats fine. But do you have specific companies in mind? Do you think he is going to do some forced technology transfer? or force a company to regress into a prior operating system (i.e. forcing a company to go to 4G from 5G to show his "power". I still dont understand.
Just his baseless accusation bed on his western "gut" feeling. That's all the evidence you need.
 

gadgetcool5

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Okay, its your view and thats fine. But do you have specific companies in mind? Do you think he is going to do some forced technology transfer? or force a company to regress into a prior operating system (i.e. forcing a company to go to 4G from 5G to show his "power". I still dont understand.
Tencent, Alibaba, Kuaishou, ByteDance, Pinduoduo, etc. all of them will see businesses banned. He won't ban them all at once but he will start chopping off their fingers and arms under the guise of "regulation" and "anti-monopoly" and preventing "unbridled growth of capital". He will start putting on huge fines and punishing anyone who is too successful abroad, under the guise that it is not in the spirit of "dual circulation." He won't go back to 4G but he will stop China from getting to 6G. The West will get to 6G before China.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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I would chop Amazon filthy fingers too, for being a monopolistic filthy company destroying small businesses.

Nothing wrong with decisive action against monopolies practices. If some small business must go bankrupt it should be gradual move not a sudden shock. Chinese economy is different, it's based on many small and middle companies run by families, its not corporation juggernaut like America where only elites can be millionaires. Chinese economy is similar to Germany, many self made millionaires by family businesses. Don't let it become like another one corporate state, like the USA.
 
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Sleepyjam

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By the way, 7.6% of Americans are millionaires, only 3.2% of Germans are. So the notion that Germany has "many millionaires" whereas in the USA only elites can become millionaires is false. I am a millionaire myself, and I'm nothing special. I just work a normal job in the USA like most Chinese Americans. My parents are millionaires too.
Wrong, being a millionaire in the US is nothing. With the way the Fed is printing money so many people became millionaires overnight. One million in the US doesn’t get you very far compare to other places. You need many millions to be in the club.
 

Sleepyjam

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Germany has virtually no tech industry.

I forgot to tell my final prediction: Throughout all of China's decline, as its economy gets worse, it falls further and further behind, its population and power disappear... the Chinese nationalists will keep saying everything is good, too strong economy is bad, power is bad, people is bad, success is bad, they are happy to see China decline because less pollution, who needs China anyway? China is happy to be a small, weak country, poor, isolated, hated by all, and disappearing. They will insist to the end it is all good and better.
Unfortunately if you replace the word China with America it would make more sense.
 

Sleepyjam

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Tencent, Alibaba, Kuaishou, ByteDance, Pinduoduo, etc. all of them will see businesses banned. He won't ban them all at once but he will start chopping off their fingers and arms under the guise of "regulation" and "anti-monopoly" and preventing "unbridled growth of capital". He will start putting on huge fines and punishing anyone who is too successful abroad, under the guise that it is not in the spirit of "dual circulation." He won't go back to 4G but he will stop China from getting to 6G. The West will get to 6G before China.
At this point the Fed is just monetizing the debt while China is reducing leverage. More investments are going to China, smart people know where to place their bets. By the way becareful out there unlike in China you might actually be assaulted or be killed for being Asian.
 
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