Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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taxiya

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The democrats are murderers with white gloves, more deceiving than the bloody-handed Republicans. It is enough to remember who bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. Who created the China-containment TPP. Who is the first to block semiconductors to China. It is always a good thing to have a long term memory, China certainly does.

It is funny to think back, it was democrat Truman and JFK whom China fought against, and this year is the 70th anniversary of Korean War that China just celebrated. What an irony.
 

Skywatcher

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He doesn’t need foreign troops, all he would need is to keep the US military neutral and out of the fight (which is actually pretty plausible since there are massive legal and constitutional barriers designed specifically to prevent the US military from being deployed on American soil to fight American citizens), so if it’s just kept to fighting between his gun-loving prepper supporters and Biden’s pacifists, intellectuals and LGBTQ+ crowd, my money is on Trump.

That’s why I thought it interesting that Trump fired Esper just now, his SecDef who only clashed with Trump on the issue of using US active duty troops to suppress unrest in American cities.

All Trump’s supporters would really need to do is storm all the vote counting houses in the disputed states, ‘find‘ some evidence of voter fraud and count irregularities and stage their own recounts that declare Trump the winner.

US DoJ does a sham check and call the results legit, US Supreme Court rubber stamp the decision and the democrats will need to start a civil war to oust him.
The US military is loyal to the Constitution. Given that it seems at least a large plurality of active duty military voted for Biden, it would be very unwise of Trump and Barr to assume that the at least the National Guard won't be called out by state governors to go and gun down the preppers.
 

Phead128

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Can you imagine the patronizing attitude if China told HK to stop counting? US Media would meltdown claiming election interference, illegal manipulation, and tyranny.

Now if the US President says to stop counting, US Media just gives an elaborate nuanced explanation, and otherwise SILENT about the clear power grab.

I really really really hate this double standard. It's Black/White when it comes to China, but super nuanced when it comes to US.
 

emblem21

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Can you imagine the patronizing attitude if China told HK to stop counting? US Media would meltdown claiming election interference, illegal manipulation, and tyranny.

Now if the US President says to stop counting, US Media just gives an elaborate nuanced explanation, and otherwise SILENT about the clear power grab.

I really really really hate this double standard. It's Black/White when it comes to China, but super nuanced when it comes to US.
Hence why I really really really want a societal collapse in the USA to happen so that they can finally confront there double standards for simply go under because I feel that the USA is doing everything they can to shift the blame for the current woes away from themselves when it is they who are responsible for the mess they are in. Now I am completely convinced that the USA is now a nation of cowards due to the fact that they love to bully others when they are not armed but the moment they are, the resort to cowardly acts.
 

horse

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When Biden takes office as president, China might want to increase the military pressure on Taiwan. Make that the new normal. If it hasn't already happened.

After that, only three things can happen.

1. Biden caves in and relents on pursuing Trump's failed China containment policies. This will happen in year 1 or year 2 of his administration.

2. Biden continues Trump containment policies, but seeing it lack of effectiveness caves in and relents on pursuing Trump's failed China containment policies. This will happen in year 3 or year 4 of his administration.

3. Biden never relents on Trump's containment policies and goes full out, but for the CCP that always means Taiwan. The logical thing to do, is for the CCP to increase more military pressure on Taiwan.

The mystery is what is the USA going to get out of this?

:p

After all, it already has been 4 years of Trump, and what did his containment of China policy yield? Next to nothing basically.

:oops: :D
 

plawolf

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The US military is loyal to the Constitution. Given that it seems at least a large plurality of active duty military voted for Biden,

What is your source for this? Or are you just basing that on the percentage of population who voted for Biden?

If that is the case, then it is a mistake. Just because slightly more half the voting national population voted for Biden doesn’t mean that percentage split will hold true across all demographics.

Indeed, anecdotally speaking, it seems more likely that more of the military voted for Trump than Biden given the fact that the American volunteer military is largely made up of right wing leaning individuals.

it would be very unwise of Trump and Barr to assume that the at least the National Guard won't be called out by state governors to go and gun down the preppers.

Actually it’s the other way around. It would be unwise in the extreme for a democratic state to deploy the national guard to gun down American civilians. Even if they are gun totting preppers in the middle of a coup.

You are right that the US military is loyal above all to the US constitution, and to deploy the national guard in direct combat against American civilians in a police action would be widely seen as an egregious violation of numerous US laws (like Posse comitatus) if not the constitution itself.

Indeed, the only realistic scenario where you might have regular active duty US troops deployed for combat operations on US soil would be in such a scenario where states first deployed their own national guard to fight US civilians on US soil.

If Trump was smarter, it would not be hard to see him trying to trick the Democrats into making exactly this move to provide him the pretext and justification he needs to order the US military into combat on US soil to eliminate his political enemies.

Short of such an outrage, if Trump ordered the US military to fight on American soil, the military will most likely declare the order unconstitutional and illegal and refuse to obey.

But if the democrats are seen to have crossed that most fundamental of red lines first, I think the US military will be much more ready and willing to follow Trump’s orders to fight on US soil, since they will see that as defending the constitution and fellow citizens against the democrats states who crossed the line first.

This might all seem far fetched, but we need to remember who we are dealing with here and what he is saying right now.

Yes, Trump does say a lot of stupid shit, but the scary thing about him is that he isn’t all bluster. He has done a lot of the things he said that people thought was crazy rants at first throughout his presidency. As such I think it would be unwise to dismiss his statements, claims and threats out of hand.

Remember Trump’s building-sizes ego and his near pathological obsession with winning and desperate fear and hate of loosing.

Given those psychological traits and his many personality flaws, it is entirely possible that he is in total denial and actually believes the BS he is saying about him winning and Biden ‘stealing’ the election.
 

caudaceus

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This one sounds too ominous and probably in the conspiracy theory territory.
However I'm pretty sure war or no war Trump will be out by late Jan 21. No emergency situation will change that.
 

bajingan

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The close presidential race is the worst thing that could have happen right now for the us, if blue wave materialized trump would have had no excuse and must swallow the loss, but biden winning margins are razor thin it leave him wide open to all sort of conspiracy theories propagated by trump, and trump himself must have feel cheated given how hostile democrats were to him in the last four years
All possibilities are open at this point, including coup attempts and civil war
 
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