Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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emblem21

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I agree with @emblem21. In addition, I don't think there would be any ceasefire no matter what. The gloves are off. Trade war, tech war, financial war, currency war, propaganda war, you name it, the US will be throwing anything and everything at China. Remember the one issue that unites both parties is being anti-China.

I think the Phase I "deal" was a stalling tactic. China was never going to fulfill it. Even when it was signed, the amount China needed to buy was unrealistically large. It's debatable if the tactic was successful, but China did what it wanted to do with or without the deal. In fact, China wanted to stock up on commodities these past 2 years as key international agencies predicted potential looming food crisis. This was a good cover to do that without getting too much attention.

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The inflation this helps cause in the US is just icing on the cake. :p

As far as the tariffs, at this point I think it might benefit China more if they are kept. China broke all kinds of record on trade in 2021, including record exports to the US and trade surplus vs the US. Exporters that could be substituted have been hardened, whether to find alternative destinations or move up the value chain. Tariffs on the rest again adds to the inflation problem the US seems unable to solve.
For China, the longer they allow the USA to shoot themselves in the foot, the more China can prepare, strengthen their technologies, improve all of there supply chains, arm and train themselves with the best weapons while the USA wastes them all to fight pointless fights and then when the time comes, take out that final bolt holding up the entire house of cards in the USA and watch the chaos that the USA engages in while China patiently waits it all out and make the necessary arrangements to cripple the opposition should the chance present itself. I know on the other forum discussion blockades and sieges, they speak of the USA having in undeniable advantage against China in regards to laying siege against China, but really, with the way that China is rapidly maneuvering, its going to be very hard for the USA to be able to really take the necessary moves to even do the ground work of laying the foundation for such an event and obviously have the home ground advantage that is growing by the day.
 

gelgoog

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You should read about the American System. When the US gained independence from Britain they had next to no industry. So they raised tariffs and used the money from the tariffs to fund US infrastructure.
Tariffs do work when you want to industrialize. But you need to be careful when applying them.

For an already developed economy they make little sense.
 

broadsword

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@gelgoog,

Regarding the issue of the unreliability of the diesel engines that were supplied to Russia for their vessels, what do you think was the reason? Was it inferior material used or QA process during production?
 

gelgoog

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I heard conflicting reports but they all claimed the engines did not last the number of hours between overhauls claimed in the specs.
Still you know how engines are finicky. It might simply be a case of using the wrong lubricants or something like that.
 

AssassinsMace

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Biden is guilty of continuing Trump's policies. The Republicans see white supremacists thinking in Russia during the Obama Administration and said to themselves they can be our allies. Just like with Islamic terrorism, the US wants others to do their dirty work hence why they frame Xinjiang as a genocide against Muslims so Islam turns their terrorist activities to China and not the US. I'm sure what they hate in how Putin acts in the world, they would love to see Russia doing that to China hence why the US thinks it can do a "reverse Nixon". Both cases the US saves its relations with China in case they fail. That's how US foreign policy is now because Americans dying in wars is bad politics for any election. The only way it works is believing people in other countries are dumb enough to be manipulated into dying for the US. You just have to look at the US's own allies. All of them are expecting the US to do their dirty work. And that's why the US fails.
 

emblem21

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Biden is guilty of continuing Trump's policies. The Republicans see white supremacists thinking in Russia during the Obama Administration and said to themselves they can be our allies. Just like with Islamic terrorism, the US wants others to do their dirty work hence why they frame Xinjiang as a genocide against Muslims so Islam turns their terrorist activities to China and not the US. I'm sure what they hate in how Putin acts in the world, they would love to see Russia doing that to China hence why the US thinks it can do a "reverse Nixon". Both cases the US saves its relations with China in case they fail. That's how US foreign policy is now because Americans dying in wars is bad politics for any election. The only way it works is believing people in other countries are dumb enough to be manipulated into dying for the US. You just have to look at the US's own allies. All of them are expecting the US to do their dirty work. And that's why the US fails.
Hence this is becoming clear how similar that the USA is to becoming like Ancient Rome but one must wonder if the USA will simply end up falling like Ancient Rome or due to their actions, end up in a much worse place
 

BlackWindMnt

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Hence this is becoming clear how similar that the USA is to becoming like Ancient Rome but one must wonder if the USA will simply end up falling like Ancient Rome or due to their actions, end up in a much worse place
I don't know but i think its save to say that the US empire is dying at a quicker rate than i thought. But once the empire dies or greatly shrinks the US as a nation will still be number 2 or 3 in the world behind China or China and India.
 

emblem21

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I don't know but i think its save to say that the US empire is dying at a quicker rate than i thought. But once the empire dies or greatly shrinks the US as a nation will still be number 2 or 3 in the world behind China or China and India.
Lets see how the Biden administration manages itself but given the amount of scandals that are coming out ever since 'Brandon' has taken the helm, they is a greater chance then ever that something will eventually give and if it ends up being something like the electrical/gas grid or something just as critical like the nuclear stock pile breaking down or even as far fetched as it sounds, the New Madrid fault breaking down, without the necessary supplies, well sliding to 2-3 place in the world would be quite generous because if the whole nation goes down under in a civil war or basic societal collapse i.e. mad max from all of the infrastructure breaking down at the same time without any way of fixing the problem in a timely manner, well their is a chance that the USA will eventually become the worlds biggest failed state and thus will be unworthy of any kind of comparison to any other nation and I can bet you bottom dollar that absolutely no nation in the world would dare to even try to fix that mess
 

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Biden’s cabinet are idiots and not even useful ones. Trump’s cabinet at least got the general idea right but screwed up on the execution. Biden’s cabinet tires to implement several different conflicting idiotic ideas simultaneously.
 

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Biden is guilty of continuing Trump's policies. The Republicans see white supremacists thinking in Russia during the Obama Administration and said to themselves they can be our allies. Just like with Islamic terrorism, the US wants others to do their dirty work hence why they frame Xinjiang as a genocide against Muslims so Islam turns their terrorist activities to China and not the US. I'm sure what they hate in how Putin acts in the world, they would love to see Russia doing that to China hence why the US thinks it can do a "reverse Nixon". Both cases the US saves its relations with China in case they fail. That's how US foreign policy is now because Americans dying in wars is bad politics for any election. The only way it works is believing people in other countries are dumb enough to be manipulated into dying for the US. You just have to look at the US's own allies. All of them are expecting the US to do their dirty work. And that's why the US fails.
Fareed Zakaria shitted on China so many times in the past, it's refreshing now that an actual real threat is on the radar, that he gives a somewhat glowing review of China, even suggesting a Kissinger 2.0 outreach to China again.

This kinda confirms that most Western media bashing China is purely profit for low-IQ domestic audience, but at the end of the day, the elites prefer a working relationship with China rather than decouple (Chinese money talks).
 
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