Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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Something hasn't been done yet doesn't mean it won't happen. Everything is they haven't already done it before they actually do it. What has already happened is the US deployed THAAD in S. Korea, slapped a bunch of sanctions on China, created the Quad, and then now forming US-UK-Australia arms pact. So don't be complacent. If China's inaction continues, the US and its minions (Taiwan, Australia, Japan, Canada, UK, S. Korea etc) will do those things step by step.

I'm sure they're willing to pay any price to destroy China. The price doesn't matter as long as you win the war and get rid of your enemy. Once your enemy is gone, it's all yours and you can recover. Paying a hefty price and be the sole ruler is better than not paying any price and have your enemy as a risk. That's how wars work and why humans start wars. You need to be willing to pay whatever price to dominate to survive in this 'either eat them or get eaten' jungle.

Taiwan, S.Korea, Australia are already deploying missiles, submarines and submarine-launched missiles to target China. The US has been actively arming its minions around China and China has border conflicts with India as well. China doesn't have much time left. Taiwan and S.Korea need to be sorted out for a first step at least within 1-2 years. If China wastes more time, even those small countries around China will soon be impregnable and will be aiming right at centers of China.
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Look at it this way.

What you are talking about is warfare.

With the Chinese Communist Party and Chairman Mao Zedong, warfare means all the ancient Chinese texts like Sun Tzu and modern texts like Carl von Clausewitz.

Clausewitz had this concept of the "Center of Gravity," which is the source for the strength of the enemy.

This could be a supply depot behind the front lines, or tank column. It could be anything. Where is the source of the enemy's true source of power and our side should try to eliminate that.

Chairman Mao really like Clausewitz a lot.

What the United States has done, does not hit any Center of Gravity against the Chinese.

Also, any attempts to hit the Center of Gravity of the Chinese have proved to be futile or very limited in its intended effects, aka, it failed.

It is no secret that the Center of Gravity for China is the Chinese economy, and it integration into the world supply chains, and the economic relations that result from that.

To suggest that America and Korea will work against Chinese and Korean interests, meaning Korea will work against itself, that is pure propaganda.

I'll prove it. Give me $10 bucks right now! Where's my $10 bucks? How come you did not give me the $10 bucks I asked for?

Now, these new subs from Australia, does nothing.

If we cannot identify the enemy's Center of Gravity, and then attack the wrong or a fake Center of Gravity, well then, we know who is going to lose the war.

How does these new subs 10-20 years later stop the Chinese economy and RCEP from doubling their economic output in 10-15 years. That is what China wants.

The United States has done nothing to get in the way of those Chinese economic goals.

The United States has been unable to prevent China from getting what it wants in almost all issues.

To try is one thing. To try and fail is another thing. To try and fail, that accomplished nothing.

The United States has done nothing in almost all issues to stop China.

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The United States has been unable to prevent China from getting what it wants in almost all issues.

To try is one thing. To try and fail is another thing. To try and fail, that accomplished nothing.

The United States has done nothing in almost all issues to stop China.
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Not for lack of trying though; from trump to Biden the Anglo Americans have tried to move factories out of China, have tried to prevent Chinese technology from gaining worldwide use and have tried to destroy and steal Chinese tech and Chinese tech companies and even started witch hunts against Asian Americans.
Anglos as a people and culture are no different to the Thalmor
 
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Not for lack of trying though; from trump to Biden the Anglo Americans have tried to move factories out of China, have tried to prevent Chinese technology from gaining worldwide use and have tried to destroy and steal Chinese tech and Chinese tech companies and even started witch hunts against Asian Americans.
Anglos as a people and culture are no different to the Thalmor
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I do not disagree, but the boarder view is correct IMHO.

Trying to collect rent is different from actually collecting rent with the rent in your hands.

Trying to collect rent and receive no money, is meaningless/worthless.

This is a well off forum, people here will understand this rent analogy.

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Ah, the karma, what a bitch. Thankfully, Russia never got her Mistrals and that was a huge blessing in disguise, but then again, as I state in my video, it is about both shrinking financial pie of the combined West and about dropping non Anglo-Saxon "ally" of France in favor of the increase of the "cohesion" of Anglo-Saxondom in a face of a lot of geopolitical centrifugal forces exacerbated by the Washington's desire to "counter" China.

Now French complain:

France's foreign minister has spoken of his "anger" and "bitterness" and has criticized the US and Britain, after the allies agreed a deal to supply nuclear submarines to Australia, undoing Paris' $40-billion deal for French subs. "I am angry and bitter. This isn't done between allies," Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told franceinfo radio on Thursday morning, after the leaders of Australia, the UK and US convened a virtual press conference on Wednesday night, announcing the AUKUS pact and the delivery of conventionally-armed nuclear-power submarines to Canberra.The delivery of the nuclear subs under the AUKUS (Australia, UK, US) pact means Canberra will scrap a 2016 deal with French firm Naval Group to upgrade its fleet with more diesel submarines. The scrapped deal was reportedly worth $40 billion."This brutal, unilateral and unpredictable decision reminds me a lot of what Mr Trump used to do," Le Drian stated. He also took aim at Canberra, "it's a stab in the back. We created a relationship of trust with Australia and that trust has been broken."

I am really impressed with France's insouciance in the times leading to this breach of the contract--did Elysee Palace even try to figure out a pecking order recently? Nah, with people like Macron trying to play a big honcho, it is not surprising that France is bitter because she was decisively shown her proper place of a US lap-dog and that of merely regional power, despite France having her own nuclear deterrent. Macron and his people better wake up and face the reality or, for that matter, learn France's recent history when France actually mattered--yes, yes, I am talking about the times of Charles de Gaulle and France's independent foreign policy...

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A different analysis from the folks at Moon of Alabama regarding the recent formation of AUKUS.

To Protect Itself From U.S. Hostility Australia Decides To Buy U.S. Submarines​


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This is a huge but short term win for the U.S. with an also-ran booby price for Britain and a strategic loss of sovereignty and budget control for Australia.

It is another U.S. slap into the face of France and the European Union. The deal will piss off New Zealand, Indonesia and of course China. It will upset the international nuclear non proliferation regime and may lead to the further military nuclearization of South Korea and Japan.

Australia currently has 6
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submarines. These are diesel driven boats based on Swedish designs but partially build in Australia. These boats are relatively slow and have a medium range and endurance. They were built between 1990 and 2003 and are mostly for defensive use. There were lots of trouble during the building of the boats as Australia lacks the technical capabilities and industrial depth to make such complicate products. The operational history of boats is also rather mixed with several scandals following each other. The boats are supposed to be upgraded to be in use for another decade.......

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France recalls its ambassador to the U.S. in protest of Biden’s submarine deal with Australia.​



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  • Sept. 17, 2021, 3:41 p.m. ET

France announced on Friday that it is immediately recalling its ambassador to the United States, Philippe Étienne, in protest of President Biden’s announcement of an agreement to provide nuclear-powered submarines to Australia without consulting French officials.
In a statement, the French foreign minister said the decision was made by French President Emmanuel Macron.
“At the request of the President of the Republic, I have decided to immediately recall our two ambassadors to the United States and Australia to Paris for consultations,” Jean-Yves Le Drian, the foreign minister said. “This exceptional decision is justified by the exceptional gravity of the announcements made on 15 September by Australia and the United States.”
This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

Michael D. Shear is a veteran White House correspondent and two-time Pulitzer Prize winner who was a member of team that won the Public Service Medal for Covid coverage in 2020. He is the co-author of “Border Wars: Inside Trump's Assault on Immigration.”
 
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he French government says it was betrayed when Australia pulled out of their existing multi-billion dollar defense deal, agreeing instead to attain nuclear-powered submarines through a new deal with the United States and the United Kingdom.
The effort to provide Australia with nuclear-powered submarines --
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toward countering China as President Joe Biden works to build international backing for his approach to Beijing -- is part of a new trilateral partnership among the United States, Australia and the United Kingdom, dubbed "AUKUS."
High-ranking French officials said the AUKUS deal was a stab in the back and a move that "shows a lack of coherence."
In response to the trilateral agreement, a French official told CNN on Friday that France has recalled its ambassador to the US for "consultation" -- marking what's believed to be the first time the French have resorted to such a move in modern times.
The French ambassador to Australia has been recalled as well, the official said.
The French government has also
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an upcoming reception at the French Embassy in Washington, DC, and toned down celebrations to commemorate a a Revolutionary War naval victory by the French that helped the US to win its independence.
 
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horse said:
Look at it this way.

What you are talking about is warfare.

With the Chinese Communist Party and Chairman Mao Zedong, warfare means all the ancient Chinese texts like Sun Tzu and modern texts like Carl von Clausewitz.

Clausewitz had this concept of the "Center of Gravity," which is the source for the strength of the enemy.

This could be a supply depot behind the front lines, or tank column. It could be anything. Where is the source of the enemy's true source of power and our side should try to eliminate that.

Chairman Mao really like Clausewitz a lot.

What the United States has done, does not hit any Center of Gravity against the Chinese.

Also, any attempts to hit the Center of Gravity of the Chinese have proved to be futile or very limited in its intended effects, aka, it failed.

It is no secret that the Center of Gravity for China is the Chinese economy, and it integration into the world supply chains, and the economic relations that result from that.

To suggest that America and Korea will work against Chinese and Korean interests, meaning Korea will work against itself, that is pure propaganda.

I'll prove it. Give me $10 bucks right now! Where's my $10 bucks? How come you did not give me the $10 bucks I asked for?

Now, these new subs from Australia, does nothing.

If we cannot identify the enemy's Center of Gravity, and then attack the wrong or a fake Center of Gravity, well then, we know who is going to lose the war.

How does these new subs 10-20 years later stop the Chinese economy and RCEP from doubling their economic output in 10-15 years. That is what China wants.

The United States has done nothing to get in the way of those Chinese economic goals.

The United States has been unable to prevent China from getting what it wants in almost all issues.

To try is one thing. To try and fail is another thing. To try and fail, that accomplished nothing.

The United States has done nothing in almost all issues to stop China.

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I don't know what you mean by "the Center of Gravity".

"all the ancient Chinese texts like Sun Tzu and modern texts like Carl von Clausewitz" are just some books written by some people with their views. They are not absolute laws of this universe.

You keep saying economy. You're too preoccupied with economy. No, economy is not a power. Economy means nothing when it comes to geopolitics. Not everything is about economy. Stop talking about economy. Supply chains and economic relations are irrelevant.


"To suggest that America and Korea will work against Chinese and Korean interests, meaning Korea will work against itself, that is pure propaganda."
No, just because Korea makes big money out of China doesn't mean attacking China is against its interests. Economy is just economy, nothing more. Not everyone is looking at only economic interests. Again, you're too economic-minded.

"Now, these new subs from Australia, does nothing."
I don't have a word for someone who says subs do nothing. Just you're out of reality.

No, you didn't read what I wrote. I wasn't talking about what the US has done. It's about what they will do in the near future.
 
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the PLA's action in the region is not just targeting any specific move made by the US, because the US' intention is clear, and what the PLA is doing is about preparing for the worst case scenario - an all-out military intervention made by US and its allies, and only by doing so, the PLA will be able to defeat all kinds of enemies, especially the foreign interventionist forces, when China launches an operation to reunify Taiwan with the mainland, Song said.

"There is no secret that the military exercises the PLA has conducted around Taiwan are targeting secessionist forces on the island and any foreign forces that support them. We can openly tell them that we are treating them as simulated enemies during those relevant military exercises," he said.


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