Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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ChongqingHotPot92

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The overarching goal of the US Cold War with China is to prevent China from ever being number 1. Thus all that matters in both Vietnam and Afghanistan that's transferrable is how much damage the US can do to the enemy vs. the opposite. The enemy can't do shit to the US, the US can do damage to them. The US military is encircling China but China doesn't have squat on San Diego, Los Angeles, Seattle or Miami. The US can destroy China's urban eastern seaboard in hours and China can do *nothing* about it.
First, China has a (growing) nuclear deterrence that actually works. Second, even if Chinese conventional weapons can't reach Continental US, Beijing could resort to hostage diplomacy akin the North Korea, meaning destroying the economies Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, and other US allies/partners through a combination of military and non-military activities. Third, Beijing could proliferate its WMD technologies to Iran and other adversaries (state and non-state actors) of the US. For example, DNI Avril Hanes has already stated that should US declare strategic clarity pertaining to the Taiwan issues, Beijing would most likely actively undermine US interests elsewhere around the world. As a result, if really pushed to a corner, while Beijing would most likely no strike Continental US (unless a nuclear exchange were to occur), the CCP has plenty of resources to act as a party crasher ruining the good times of American allies. For example, it could resort to the late 1950s and early 1960s export of revolution against perceived "white colonialists," except on a much bigger scale this time. In fact, if some diplomatic channel still exist, you can't even rule out the possibility of the MSS funneling money, light weapons, and fake news to drug/family-based gangs, radical liberal groups like a violent version of Antifa, etc. in the States and Mexico to exacerbate political polarization in the US. Just look at what Russia did in 2016. Keep in mind that while the CCP can crackdown on free speech and foreign financial links (look and Ant and Didi) without due process, it is much harder for the US Government to do that in the States. In fact, the Fed is even struggling to ban WeChat because of the legal system in the States, despite the fact there are plenty of pro-Xi and anti-US chat groups among WeChat users registered is North America.
 
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First, China has a (growing) nuclear deterrence that actually works. Second, even if Chinese conventional weapons can't reach Continental US,
Only sentence that matters
Beijing could resort to hostage diplomacy akin the North Korea, meaning destroying the economies Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, and other US allies/partners through a combination of military and non-military activities.
So China loses more trade than the US? WIN!
Third, Beijing could proliferate its WMD technologies to Iran and other adversaries (state and non-state actors) of the US. For example, DNI Avril Hanes has already stated that should US declare strategic clarity pertaining to the Taiwan issues, Beijing would most likely actively undermine US interests elsewhere around the world.
LOL. Democrats just don't like risk.
As a result, if really pushed to a corner, while Beijing would most likely no strike Continental US (unless a nuclear exchange were to occur), the CCP has plenty of resources to act as a party crasher ruining the good times of American allies. For example, it could resort to the late 1950s and early 1960s export of revolution against perceived "white colonialists," except on a much bigger scale this time. In fact, if some diplomatic channel still exist, you can't even rule out the possibility of the MSS funneling money, light weapons, and fake news to drug/family-based gangs, radical liberal groups like a violent version of Antifa, etc. in the States and Mexico to exacerbate political polarization in the US.
Only sabotaging China's foreign trade. Sounds great.
Just look at what Russia did in 2016. Keep in mind that while the CCP can crackdown on free speech and foreign financial links (look and Ant and Didi) without due process, it is much harder for the US Government to do that in the States. In fact, the Fed is even struggling to ban WeChat, albeit there are plenty of pro-Xi and anti-US chat groups among WeChat users registered is North America.
LOL, the WeChat ban just got enjoined in court but it's definitely survivable. The next admin can just ignore the court cuz nobody cares about rule of law in the United States vis-a-vis China
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Oh no, failure instead of mission creep and still busting the shit out of Afghanistan. If the contest between the US & China is whether American incumbency advantages will sustain themselves forever, then Afghanistan should tell you that even when the US looses, the US can inflict far more damage on the enemy than vice-versa and what that means for China is that the US can reduce China's GDP by 30% and the US won't even be damaged by 5% and thus the US will win, even if the immediate political consequences aren't achieved.
Lol man, at this point you're not contributing anything to the debate because the stuff you said isn't based on anything solid evidence of data other than U.S. #1 the best there was, and the best that ever will be rah rah. You're just trolling at this point Jai Hind.
 

Overbom

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Lol man, at this point you're not contributing anything to the debate because the stuff you said isn't based on anything solid evidence of data other than U.S. #1 the best there was, and the best that ever will be rah rah. You're just trolling at this point Jai Hind.
He is a troll. Check out the Semiconductor thread. He managed to derail it for a couple of pages and he keeps going. We will have to wait for the mods to clean this
 

Bellum_Romanum

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What you just stated has nothing to do with what I was talking about. There was something called the Vietnam syndrome where before Americans were confident in winning wars and then Vietnam happened and they lost that confidence because they lost. Simple as that.
Then American sought to excise that "Vietnam Syndrome" along with their embarrassing failed special force rescue mission called operation Eagle Claw under Pres. Carter during the IRAN revolution by invading successive small ass countries like Grenada, and then Panama under the rah rah pro-America Presidency of the Ole Gipper a.k.a. Pres. Reagan. The U.S. finally repudiated it's Vietnam failure through the successful military operation in the Persian Gulf War under Pres.Bush against the Iraqi invasion/incursion of Kuwait.
 

Overbom

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Harris' recent trip to Asia reeks of desperation

Despite trying so hard to drum up support against "Chinese aggression", Vietnam basically told her to screw off. Singapore also did not say much
What are they going to say to a dysfunctional US Gov. Do these people think that Vietnam and other countries dont know that in the midterms the Democrats may lose their slim majority in Congress?

And then another period of fierce infighting will happen. Impeachment hearings, committees trying to find scandals etc

Why should Vietnam and Singapore stick their heads out for the US when next year the US will be distracted by internal infighting
 
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