Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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DarkStar

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This seems like a terrible idea if you ask me. It is almost like China is trying to humiliate Germany. It is not the worth the trouble. Just let the Germans do their parade so Uncle Sam could feel better about themselves.
Why forgo a chance to disabuse Germans of the notion that they can risk ties with China for the sake of America?
If you don't apply rewards and sticks, how will you ever get ppl to change their behaviour?

Sanctioning German politicians after the CAI debacle is simply the appetiser; if they require remedial classes, China is always happy to provide tuition.
 

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This seems like a terrible idea if you ask me. It is almost like China is trying to humiliate Germany. It is not the worth the trouble. Just let the Germans do their parade so Uncle Sam could feel better about themselves.
Why does Germany get a free pass
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after BOTH the US and China told them not to sail in disputed waters in the S. China Sea?
 
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This seems like a terrible idea if you ask me. It is almost like China is trying to humiliate Germany. It is not the worth the trouble. Just let the Germans do their parade so Uncle Sam could feel better about themselves.
I would have to disagree. Germany shouldn’t be allowed to get away with taking away Chinese cash while simultaneously participating in the US’s aggression towards China and interference with Chinese internal affairs. If you continue to allow this to happen, other countries will follow suit since they won’t have to worry about losing the Chinese market and getting sanctioned by the US. This will lead to massive international pressure upon China. One rat may not seem much, but a dozen of them can cause massive damage.
 
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then you should say: "
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(MSM)".... because liberal and conservative are (mutually exclusive) subsets of Western MSM....

Western MSM basically has a moral superiority complex and unduly criticize China and has double-standard hypocrisy.... (includes both liberal and conservative media, but conservative media is far more hawkish and borderline racist)
 
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then you should say: "
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(MSM)".... because liberal and conservative are (mutually exclusive) subsets of Western MSM....

Western MSM basically has a moral superiority complex and unduly criticize China and has double-standard hypocrisy.... (includes both liberal and conservative media, but conservative media is far more hawkish and borderline racist)
Judith Miller and the liberal rag she once proudly worked for the bastion of journalistic truthyness THE N.Y.T. was one of the PRIME PROPAGANDA pushers for the illegal war in IRAQ claiming that Saddam Hussein was at the cusp of getting the "Yellow Cake" critical for building a nuclear weapon. Any thinking rationale person that read such b.s. knew it was hogwash but because it was peddled by the venerable writer and newspaper the March for war simply sailed by unencumbered and unimpeded and was readily propagated through the masses of the world.

Conservative news and conservative opinion makers will obviously sing their usual and expected tunes which wouldn't surprise anyone with a thinking brain and in my opinion don't make them the dangerous snakes that are the Liberal media that you seem to be okay with. They are far more insidious and dangerous because they say, write, and supposedly stand for all the right things until you realize that your shitty life just got even more shittier than before but at least you got gay rights, gender rights, gender fluidity b.s. are now enshrined in the daily confines of social media and society which means the arc of history bends towards greater bullshitquality and justice.

I don't mean to disparage MLK Jr. Famous speech but the notion that Liberals are that much better than regular conservatives (not the batshit re..ds) is down right hilarious. American Civil rights movement was forced upon the American white establishment by the oppressed African Americans and because of the geopolitical and ideological struggles between America and the evil Soviets America had to swallow a bitter pill in order for their glorious propaganda of equality and all that jazz remains true to it's words. It was done out of politics of necessity nothing more, nothing less; a tool, a means to an eventual end.
 
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Phead128

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Judith Miller and the liberal rag she once proudly worked for the bastion of journalistic truthyness THE N.Y.T. was one of the PRIME PROPAGANDA pushers for the illegal war in IRAQ claiming that Saddam Hussein was at the cusp of getting the "Yellow Cake" critical for building a nuclear weapon. Any thinking rationale person that read such b.s. knew it was hogwash but because it was peddled by the venerable writer and newspaper the March for war simply sailed by unencumbered and unimpeded and was readily propagated through the masses of the world.
Again, Western mainstream media (MSM) which includes both liberals and conservatives, both pushed for Iraq war propaganda, it wasn't exclusively "liberal media" or NYT that pushed this Iraq war line. Fox, and other conservative outlets pushed Iraq war propaganda too.... so basically ALL Western MSM pushed Iraq war propaganda, it wasn't a liberal vs. conservative thing.
The [Liberals] are far more insidious and dangerous because they say, write, and supposedly stand for all the right things until you realize that your shitty life just got even more shittier than before but at least you got gay rights, gender rights, gender fluidity b.s. are now enshrined in the daily confines of social media and society which means the arc of history bends towards greater bullshitquality and justice.
... and life is shitter than before under conservatives too. Atleast Liberals give you a vision of a better America, the conservatives just give you lower-taxes for the rich and a bit more gov't de-regulation. What vision of America has conservatives offered so far? Nothing. Zero. Nada.
I don't mean to disparage MLK Jr. Famous speech but the notion that Liberals are that much better than regular conservatives (not the batshit re..ds) is down right hilarious.
Liberals in US politics typically refer to 'radical left-wing'.
So it's really not fair to compare the 'radical left-wing' with only centrist/establishment conservatives, while ignoring the batshit crazy far-right wingers.
That's just cherry-picking your comparison.
American Civil rights movement was forced upon the American white establishment by the oppressed African Americans and because of the geopolitical and ideological struggles between America and the evil Soviets America had to swallow a bitter pill in order for their glorious propaganda of equality and all that jazz remains true to it's words. It was done out of politics of necessity nothing more, nothing less; a tool, a means to an eventual end.
The Jim Crow laws and slavery was justified under religious ideology and 'God'. There is nothing Soviet 'You Bad Guys' propaganda would have override the belief that slavery and racism was 'justified' under a religious doctrine. American racists wouldn't even care about Soviet propaganda since 'God' defense overrides everything in their small world and narrow-minded world.

Civil rights movement succeeded due to protesting for equal rights without using violence.... the same strategy worked for Gandhi in India and Nelson Mandela in South Africa. Attributing it to 'Soviet geopolitics' really downplays the achievements of black leadership in civil rights movement.
 

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A good debate between two Americans regarding their country's nuclear posture and strategy towards China's perceived current build up of nuclear silos and expansion

The debate is predicated on "should" but never "could". There is an unspoken assumption of omnipotence.

The answer to that will be to force them to acknowledge reality and move the debate to "could".
 

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This is why Democrats are weak. Biden is sticking to anti-China policies because of Hunter Biden. He thinks if he shows himself as an anti-China hawk, that will counter any accusations from the right that he's secretly working for China. If you read comments, the right isn't letting up constantly calling him "Beijing Joe" or "Beijing Biden." The Democrats constantly believe they're capable of changing the minds of Republicans. The US media isn't connecting the dots that US inflation is due to the US cutting China off as a supplier meaning everything will costs more for the US to produce. They think trade with China was about them being the nice guys. No they were exploiting cheap labor and supplies from China. Hence why now that the US cut its own throat, prices are going up. It's still early in the Biden Administration but not much time left for Biden to change things around before it actually pays off in time for the next election where Democrats are probably going to experience Trump 2.0 winning the election even if it's not Trump. China better pay attention because China better not throw Biden a bone thinking it'll pay off. So do they want to gamble thinking helping out the US will be rewarded with a China-friendly American President the next time around or they can turn the screws now will show Americans they're not as independent as they thought because an anti-China American President the next go around will be mostly likely be the surer bet.
 
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