Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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Phead128

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Libtards and conservatwats = coke and pepsi

Same shit, different administration

This is true as far as foreign policy is concerned, Biden and Trump are virtually the same, except with (slightly) less bite in sanctions, but same hostile rhetoric to China, refusal to rejoin Iran nuclear deal, US imperialism, etc.... In domestic policy, this can't be further from the truth. Anyone who says liberals are same as conservatives in DOMESTIC policy is being highly disingenuous.
 

Appix

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Biden seems to be losing Asia (Asia here means east Asia but I am talking about actual Asia)...
Except for Japan and India I honestly can't see anyone in this region not allying itself with China if push comes to shove

And this is really concerning for US

Losing? You must have other eyes than I have. I do not see him losing. They have a big alliance system in Asia: SK and JP are ironclad rocksolid in the US camp Then there are less rocksolid but nonethless allies like IN and PH. Then there are several other countries in Asia that are leaning towards them. Looks very good from US perspective..
 

horse

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I'm disputing whether white liberals are "white supremacists" like Republican conservatives which actively opposed every one of those.

I think they are. Since I am not that interested in politics, I won't argue about it strenuously either way.

In Canada, the Liberal Party who is the ruling government, definitely are white supremacy advocates, perhaps not out loud, but their ideas of the world cannot be questioned.

A quick side track here, it is the political landscape, and that has radically changed from yesteryear. What the Liberals fought for back then, often the conservative will fight for today.

One example of that is Dick Cheney, that notorious neo-con from the Dubya era. He was so vehemently anti-gay. Cheney hated the gay people and gay hated him back. That was until his own daughter came out as a lesbian! Cheney immediately reversed course, and he loved his daughter no matter what, and was kind of pro-gay at that point. That story kind of died there, because it was just a family story at that point.


The previous Chinese ambassador to Canada, Mr. Lu, he got so upset over the Huawei incident with Meng Wanzhou, that he made an outburst to the press claiming that China was a country that believed in white supremacy, judging from it actions and subsequent actions and attitude from that arrest.

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I thought it was great!

Finally, someone called them out for it.

It figures it would be a Chinese guy who would do that.

Absolutely wonderful.

But it was politics, so I stopped following after that. After the Chinese ambassador said, "You damn white supremacist," it is really hard to top, especially when it is true.

:D
 

DarkStar

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I think they are. Since I am not that interested in politics, I won't argue about it strenuously either way.

In Canada, the Liberal Party who is the ruling government, definitely are white supremacy advocates, perhaps not out loud, but their ideas of the world cannot be questioned.

A quick side track here, it is the political landscape, and that has radically changed from yesteryear. What the Liberals fought for back then, often the conservative will fight for today.

One example of that is Dick Cheney, that notorious neo-con from the Dubya era. He was so vehemently anti-gay. Cheney hated the gay people and gay hated him back. That was until his own daughter came out as a lesbian! Cheney immediately reversed course, and he loved his daughter no matter what, and was kind of pro-gay at that point. That story kind of died there, because it was just a family story at that point.


The previous Chinese ambassador to Canada, Mr. Lu, he got so upset over the Huawei incident with Meng Wanzhou, that he made an outburst to the press claiming that China was a country that believed in white supremacy, judging from it actions and subsequent actions and attitude from that arrest.

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I thought it was great!

Finally, someone called them out for it.

It figures it would be a Chinese guy who would do that.

Absolutely wonderful.

But it was politics, so I stopped following after that. After the Chinese ambassador said, "You damn white supremacist," it is really hard to top, especially when it is true.

:D
Well really, how do you deal with a white supremacist state?
You can talk civil enough as per the etiquette of diplomacy but we saw from Anchorage that the anglos failed even that.
Therefore, the only thing that matters are concrete results and assets, material things. Blinken will never get a meeting with President Xi unless those 14 demands are met, since those 14 demands will reveal whether or not the anglos want to persist in white supremacy or ascend to a greater consciousness of human development.
 

solarz

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Democratic liberals introduced the Civil Rights bill, Immigration Reform bills, and Emancipation of Slavery bills. Black Americans had no representation in Congress or House or Senate. So yes, white liberals did introduce these pivotal bills. We don't give 100% credit to white liberals, but that's not even the point. I'm disputing whether white liberals are "white supremacists" like Republican conservatives which actively opposed every one of those.

Errr, first of all, Lincoln abolished slavery and he was a Republican.

Second, do you think the Civil Rights bill would have passed without popular support? If not, then aren't you putting the cart in front of the horses? The politicians saw an opportunity to take credit for something that was going to happen anyway.

Haven't you realized by now that the whole Democrats vs Republicans opposition is just a facade designed to give the oppressed masses the illusion of freedom? Democrats will oppose Republicans and vice versa on issues that do not threaten the power of the ruling elites. The moment something threatens that power, the two sides will become miraculously unanimous.

Look at the Capitol Hill protest. The moment Trump threatened the safety of those politicians, the two sides immediately worked together to silence Trump and spin the protest as a riot and insurgency.

The Civil Rights bill didn't threaten the power of the ruling elite.

Biden is 'Republican Lite'. I wish he was a liberal, but his policy is half-agreement with Trump, esp. on foreign policy as of today. Biden refuses to re-join Iran nuclear deal, refuses to lift Trump-era tariffs, continuing with Trump-era hostility to China. Biden is right-wing in his foreign policy. Biden isn't even remotely white liberal like Bernie Sanders, which actively criticizes US imperialist foreign policy like Iraq war. Biden voted FOR the Iraq war.

So in other words, no difference.

Also, since when is Sanders a liberal? He seems pretty damn socialist to me.
 

crash8pilot

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This is true as far as foreign policy is concerned, Biden and Trump are virtually the same, except with (slightly) less bite in sanctions, but same hostile rhetoric to China, refusal to rejoin Iran nuclear deal, US imperialism, etc.... In domestic policy, this can't be further from the truth. Anyone who says liberals are same as conservatives in DOMESTIC policy is being highly disingenuous.
Don’t kid yourself. Democrats and Republicans go through the same revolving door where the sole agenda is to further line the pockets of the wealthy instead of serving the needs of the average American.

Money spent on the military industrial complex to “further” the US’s domestic policy could and should be put to better use to improve infrastructure and overall livelihoods of the people. The Sino-American Cold War won’t be decided by military might or which country secures global hegemony, but rather by the prosperity of each country’s society. That’s where the CPC differs in that their sole focus is to better the lives of 平民老百姓 instead of making sure billionaires earn an extra buck. Thinking otherwise just means you’re too simple…. Sometimes naive.
 

solarz

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The previous Chinese ambassador to Canada, Mr. Lu, he got so upset over the Huawei incident with Meng Wanzhou, that he made an outburst to the press claiming that China was a country that believed in white supremacy, judging from it actions and subsequent actions and attitude from that arrest.

Think you meant Canada?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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won’t be decided by military might or which country secures global hegemony, but rather by the prosperity of each country’s society.
Doesn't work when the other side can use force to either take your wealth away or threaten your customers/investors. The only answer to use of force is deterrence.
 

solarz

Brigadier
This is true as far as foreign policy is concerned, Biden and Trump are virtually the same, except with (slightly) less bite in sanctions, but same hostile rhetoric to China, refusal to rejoin Iran nuclear deal, US imperialism, etc.... In domestic policy, this can't be further from the truth. Anyone who says liberals are same as conservatives in DOMESTIC policy is being highly disingenuous.

How exactly are they different in domestic policy?

The American middle class has been declining for 40 years. That's 10 rounds of elections, and 7-8 rotations of party. Has anything changed?

The Columbine Massacre happened 22 years ago. We went from Clinton to Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden. Has anything been done to stop school shootings?

Sure, you can blame the other party and how they control the Congress or the Senate or whatever. However, at some point, you need to realize that this kind of deadlocking isn't a bug, it's a feature.
 
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