Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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quantumlight

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Yea, but the answer is right in the question. Did any US companies compete with Huawei to defeat it to number 6? Or was it something else?
When your enemy is using sanction to win modern tech war, that's first sign of surrender , they can't compete. The situation is more like US vs Taliban situation, only here US is playing Taliban role using primitive tactics.
As someone rightfully pointed out, unless US can gather 20 million top STEM background, it's just role play. US has never been an inventor, it always has been accumulator. And that only exists as long as money & the tradable goods exists. Right now US, UK is country of grandma, grandpa & drunkards.
Sadly in the real world there is no browny points for playing fair... its the results that matter, doesn't matter how the US obtain them.. Just ask Mr We Lie We Cheat We Steal Pompeo... if US is willing to play dirty and China government isn't, then China is put at strategic disadvantage... same for its Nonintervention policy and No first use policy etc etc
 

Nobonita Barua

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Sadly in the real world there is no browny points for playing fair... its the results that matter, doesn't matter how the US obtain them.. Just ask Mr We Lie We Cheat We Steal Pompeo... if US is willing to play dirty and China government isn't, then China is put at strategic disadvantage... same for its Nonintervention policy and No first use policy etc etc
I completely agree. Everything is fair in war. But some of enemy's strategy also reveals weakness. That's the point.
US can't fight a tech war, period.
So what China needs to do is to offer alternative to what US is using, dollar.
 

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To be fair, that only applies if you count product development, which is the overwhelming majority of China's R&D. When it comes to basic and applied research, the U.S. spends far more, and is likely to increase that even further as part of its effort to counter China.

Basic research in China averaged around 5 percent of total R&D expenditure between 2000 to 2018, while the share of applied research dropped from 17 percent to 11.1 percent. Over the same period, the US poured 17.3 percent of its R&D funding into basic research and 20.4 percent into applied research. In nominal terms, China’s basic and applied expenditure was $77.1 billion in 2018, more than that of South Korea ($34.5 billion) and Japan ($54.7 billion), but less than half that of the US ($200.5 billion).

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Further, the U.S. benefits from R&D conducted in allied countries like the UK, Japan, Taiwan, etc. where companies from those countries will basically do what the US tells them to do. Not trying to dismiss China's substantial growth in this area, but complacency is not good. This is going to be one of the major areas of competition.

The American basic research got a major boost in recent years from corporate funding, especially those from pharmaceutical companies. China doesn't have a strong pharmaceutical industry. But pharmaceuticals are not something one can easily use in a tech war for obvious humanitarian reasons.

Otherwise yes China needs to fix its science policy. Perhaps the CCP should add a science & technology czar to the Politburo Standing Committee.
 

quantumlight

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It's a clever ploy, if the US accept it , they acknowledge Huawei as a 5g leader and have to pay royalties :cool:

Here is my hunch, its not a ploy in the sense that its not a trick... Maybe China figured out US already stole all of Huawei technology / source code via FiveEyes etc... and US plans to or has already given that over to the likes of Nokia, Verizon, Qualcomm, etc etc and this is Huawei/China way of mitigating that a bit by beating them to the punch by open sourcing it all, including the entire 5G stack and chip designs etc it eats into the otherwise ill gotten profits that the West/US would have gotten off the backs of stolen labor/secrets that America had planned to package and sell to the rest of the world as its own 5G...

Basically classical case that US makes it so Huawei cannot make money, Huawei can make it so US cannot profit off stolen Huawei tech either... better to liberate the knowledge, give it away to the world for free, and democratize (the irony) the technology for the entire world to enjoy rather than to let it be held in the hands of the few (US/West/Fiveeyes) as a means to control and enslave the rest of humanity...

Beyond immediate profits, this would be a great equalizer... Tech is king in this world and anything that levels the playing field and pushes the world towards multipolar is a net good thing for humanity...

China should make a twitter clone and open source it free to the world... that ways each nation can build their own twitter platform and then inter-nation-twitter communications can go through some open standard in a federated way (just like how EMAIL has always worked, you can email other people even if they don't use your email provider etc) and give ultimate control of each nations twitter to that nation alone instead of letting US hegemony dictate the narratives...

This way, only one nation can ban the account of one of its citizens... US shouldn't be able to ban account of Chinese politicans for example etc... and if US wants to cut off all China, US can only cut off twitter communication between US and Chinese users, instead right now US has the power to completely cut all of China from the entire world because twitter is US company and all of it is hosted in US... This is the sort of democratization of platforms that US is afriad of losing power and control and grip it so tightly
 
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Interesting how Biden one day say he feels no need to talk to Xi and the next day he's talking to Xi. Did he not think twice hence why he had to talk to Xi immediately? I'm sure all this talk of how Biden was talking to Xi like he were schooling a child is all spin or he would've stuck to feeling no need to talk to China. There was an article I read where the title was something like how there was one country that was taking advantage of Biden not talking to Xi. The country was China. Because Biden wasn't talking to Xi, that signaled to China it didn't have to account for what a Biden Administration was concerned about. Was that why Biden immediately called Xi after he said he finds no a need to?

Here's the thing about Biden's Chinese technology reviews he's announcing. Why? The US already has bans on everything especially because of Trump. It's just words for domestic politics or its actually the opposite of what people are assuming because the US is going to lose a lot of money they make from China as a customer. I'm not just talking about chips. I'm talking about US products that the US was selling normally to China. They already have bans selling technology components to China. They have to be talking about US products with those components like big expensive medical equipment which the US sells a lot to China. So they're aiming to hurt the US economy even more because eventually China is going to make them and then they'll lose more money because they won't be able to compete with Chinese counterparts on the world market.

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The US needs money to build infrastructure. If it were that easy infrastructure spending wouldn't be hung up in Congress because of partisan politics. What are they going to do when they can't agree on infrastructure. Maybe they will demand China hold back on their infrastructure like they demand China hold back on developing technology now just so it looks like they're number one in infrastructure.
 
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quantumlight

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Maybe they will demand China hold back on their infrastructure like they demand China hold back on developing technology now just it looks like they're number one in infrastructure.
You guessed it... next they will demand China stop offering STEM courses in Chinese universities and colleges because it is a threat to US national suckerity interests.
 
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