Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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localizer

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It's called they want a subsidy. Like I said by its nature everything in the US costs more to do so in, ironically, a capitalist society needs a government subsidy in order to make the most simplest of chips profitable for a private entity at home to make thus passing the expense onto the taxpayer. Same with rare earths. I notice how Indian-run Quartz is running all these articles how the US is going to break China rare earths monopoly by making them themselves... and it'll cost a lot more all for the same reasons with chips, green technology, etc. If all these industries get subsidized, the more money it'll cost the US government.

All those chip companies were initially funded by military apparatuses such as DoD. But I guess Chinese aren't allowed to do the same.
 

SilentObserver

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All those chip companies were initially funded by military apparatuses such as DoD. But I guess Chinese aren't allowed to do the same.
Exactly. The entire foundation of the IT industry was built upon the support of the US government. Even supposedly civilian agencies like NASA designs and tests for the US military, primarily the air force. It is quite apparent if one goes to an US aviation museum. Space shuttle missions carried out
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parallel to civilian ones, some of which are now declassified. It's funny when the US accuses China's space agency of having PLA ties as if that is something out of the ordinary.

US has a successful model for developing marketable technologies but misleads the masses not in the industry. They make it sound like it's all the work of private enterprise when much of the foundational research weren't done by them. SpaceX wouldn't be possible at the current scale in any other nation at the time of its founding as they relied on the infrastructure/systems built by the US government. It poached ambitious talents from NASA and ULA, launch pads were build during the space race, initial grants and contracts were all government provided. The spirit of innovation and private enterprise is very important but the government also plays an essential role in this ecosystem. Government does the tasks that are not immediately profitable and is able to provide stable funding to long term projects without major cut backs during times of crisis, private enterprise are better at efficiency. Many nations get trapped at middle income because they aren't able to sustainably increase productivity, much of which are the result of stable long term R&D.

As long as China maintains a dual model of market forces and government support I think long term growth would be possible and stable. The military and civilian integration effort in China is a positive initiative for long term innovation and economic vitality.
 

localizer

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Exactly. The entire foundation of the IT industry was built upon the support of the US government. Even supposedly civilian agencies like NASA designs and tests for the US military, primarily the air force. It is quite apparent if one goes to an US aviation museum. Space shuttle missions carried out
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parallel to civilian ones, some of which are now declassified. It's funny when the US accuses China's space agency of having PLA ties as if that is something out of the ordinary.

US has a successful model for developing marketable technologies but misleads the masses not in the industry. They make it sound like it's all the work of private enterprise when much of the foundational research weren't done by them. SpaceX wouldn't be possible at the current scale in any other nation at the time of its founding as they relied on the infrastructure/systems built by the US government. It poached ambitious talents from NASA and ULA, launch pads were build during the space race, initial grants and contracts were all government provided. The spirit of innovation and private enterprise is very important but the government also plays an essential role in this ecosystem. Government does the tasks that are not immediately profitable and is able to provide stable funding to long term projects without major cut backs during times of crisis, private enterprise are better at efficiency. Many nations get trapped at middle income because they aren't able to sustainably increase productivity, much of which are the result of stable long term R&D.

As long as China maintains a dual model of market forces and government support I think long term growth would be possible and stable. The military and civilian integration effort in China is a positive initiative for long term innovation and economic vitality.
And not to mention practically every scientist was trained under government funding from kindergarten and through PhD.

qinghua and Beida have the saying that China pays and trains scientists for the US since all their STEM students come to the US.



China is simply following the US model. Even the early US infrastructure days are like how China does things.
 
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weig2000

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Looks like Xiaomi is now in the list of the top-10 companies in terms of technology R&D Spending
This would not have happened without the technology trade war.
And next year it's possible for Xiaomi to be spending more than Huawei, Intel, Microsoft or Apple

It's unlikely that Xiaomi can spend $10 billion on R&D - they simply don't have enough revenue, let alone profit, to invest so much in R&D.

Also the Global Top R&D Spenders data is rather dated; they're based on 2018 data. Huawei probably spent close to $20 billion last year on R&D.
 

daifo

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It's unlikely that Xiaomi can spend $10 billion on R&D - they simply don't have enough revenue, let alone profit, to invest so much in R&D.

Also the Global Top R&D Spenders data is rather dated; they're based on 2018 data. Huawei probably spent close to $20 billion last year on R&D.

The writer prob got confuse yuan for dollar. Looking at Xiaomi product line, there is no way that is 10 billion a year in research especially in chinese salary.
 

Nobonita Barua

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US gov is putting long term ahead of short term profits and forcing its companies to toe the line...
Did it though?
Don't you think it more has to do with experience of BLM & other protests in the wannabe Disneyland?
Don't you think their scrambling more has to do with their fear of survival than any profit, be it long term & short term? Don't you think watching recent events , they are already getting nightmares of a world led by other power?

I have told this before, a US that is number 2, is a US that won't exist long. What you saw in capitol hill is just the tip of the iceberg. A legacy from their so could colonial "civil war" that went under due to WW2.
 

AssassinsMace

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Yes the US acting like a spoiled brat. Europe is not going to join the US against China so expect Asian countries, that have China as their number one customer, that are democracies instead. Obama failed in his Pivot to Asia because he couldn't get Asian US allies to stop bickering with one another. So now they expect their Asian allies who worship money even more to drop their number one customer. What's make them think Biden will have more success. Let me guess... because Biden is white unlike Obama?
 
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