Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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solarz

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That recent article on cracking down on corruption to stymie Five-Eyes infiltration convinces me that the Hongkong thing was also aimed at cracking down on espionage.

CCP cannot admit that Western intelligence is deeply rooted.

I believe Jin Canrong said it best: HK is a mix between a Chinese city and a Western city. It's value comes from the fact that it is a gateway to the West. Take away the things that make it Western and it will lose its value.

It comes down to risk vs benefit. The 2019 riots have shown that any unrest in HK will stay in HK. Therefore the risks of HK being a Western espionage hub can be contained and China can continue to benefit from HK being a gateway city for as long as that benefit outweigh the risks.
 

Gatekeeper

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I believe Jin Canrong said it best: HK is a mix between a Chinese city and a Western city. It's value comes from the fact that it is a gateway to the West. Take away the things that make it Western and it will lose its value.

I don't know when he said this. And I would've agreed up to about 10 to 15 years ago. But with China's strength growing daily. This advantages Hong Kong process is getting less and less everyday. Don't get me wrong. I'm very sad that's the case. But I just recognise reality.
 

solarz

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I don't know when he said this. And I would've agreed up to about 10 to 15 years ago. But with China's strength growing daily. This advantages Hong Kong process is getting less and less everyday. Don't get me wrong. I'm very sad that's the case. But I just recognise reality.

HK is not as valuable, relatively speaking, as it was in decades past, but that doesn't change its unique nature.

Even from just a cultural point of view, this is worth preserving. It is just a matter of managing risks.

What I think will change in the future is the degree of Chinese vs Western influence in HK. As the Central Government cuts off funding sources to subversive organizations, we will start seeing a decline in anti-mainland sentiments.

Last year I believed that HK's current generation of youths were a lost cause, but recently I was reminded of China's own youth in the 80s and 90s. Many of them were anti-CCP and pro-West, but look at them now.

We can go even further back and look at the Red Guards, those youths of my parents' generation. Those fervent Mao worshippers who destroyed cultural artifacts and beat up professors became themselves guardians of Chinese culture 20 years down the road.

Looking back, the HK riots pushed all of our emotional buttons but was strategically impotent. The Central Government was remarkable in being able to view the events with dispassionate rationality, and thus checkmate the instigators.
 

KYli

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China doesn't have the ability to influence elections in Taiwan, and it will not interfere in elections in HK. This has nothing to do with the capabilities of Chinese think tanks.
What do you think all those preferential policies for Taiwan and Hong Kong are aimed at.
 

Equation

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Last year I believed that HK's current generation of youths were a lost cause, but recently I was reminded of China's own youth in the 80s and 90s. Many of them were anti-CCP and pro-West, but look at them now.
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That's because the mainland youth didn't have "God" in them. They were able to think critically, freely about the West as many of them started to learn more about it when traveling or studying abroad. They started to see the hypocrisy and racism towards Chinese people, culture, government and values. The HK youths that are still stuck on Bible stupid is pretty much hopeless in my opinion. Therefore let them extinct in time as their numbers dwindle over the decades.
 

Gatekeeper

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Just what is it with these Japanese? Do they like to be a vassal state or something? It's a coalition of anti-China really. It went on to anti-China chant and religious sermon. Gee what a mixed bag!

Trump’s claim of ‘rigged’ election gains supporters even in Japan

By CHIHIRO ARA/ Staff Writer

December 25, 2020 at 07:10 JST

Nearly one month after the U.S. presidential election, a group of demonstrators supporting U.S. President Donald Trump hit the streets, loudly proclaiming that the election was rigged.

However, this protest took place not in the United States, but started from Hibiya Park in central Tokyo. On the afternoon of Nov. 29, the demonstrators, holding placards in their hands stating the unfounded allegation that the election was rigged, loudly set out on their march.

“Let’s back President Trump’s re-election!” a lead protester chanted. “Aw!” a crowd shouted in endorsement.

“Trump is the winner of the U.S. presidential race!” another chant said as the group marched through the Ginza shopping district. “Biden is not!”

The demonstrators’ protests were not just about the U.S. presidential election.

Some of the marchers carried easily recognizable national flags--the Stars and Stripes of the United States and the Hinomaru of Japan, but many others were seen holding much-less familiar flags, which featured yellow stars on a blue background.

They were the symbol of a group called the “New Federal State of China,” whose establishment was announced in June by Guo Wengui, an anti-Beijing businessman with political connections, and Steve Bannon, a former top Trump aide.

A chant at one point said, “Take down the CCP (Chinese Communist Party).”

Some participants carried a banner showing a passage from the Bible and a sheet of paper declaring the U.S. presidential election was a “fight between good and evil.”

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Gatekeeper

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Just what is it with the Japanese mentality that they always seek ways to put one over China. Now the defence Minster calling Biden to stand up to China on Taiwan. Gee way to go.

Japan official, calling Taiwan 'red line,' urges Biden to 'be strong'

Ju-min Park

Fri, December 25, 2020, 10:32 AM GMT·4 min read

2020 Election Center

Joe Biden

Yasuhide Nakayama

By Ju-min Park

TOKYO (Reuters) - A top Japanese defence official on Friday urged U.S. President-elect Joe Biden to "be strong" in supporting Taiwan in the face of an aggressive China, calling the island's safety a "red line."

"We are concerned China will expand its aggressive stance into areas other than Hong Kong. I think one of the next targets, or what everyone is worried about, is Taiwan," State Minister of Defense Yasuhide Nakayama told Reuters.

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solarz

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That's because the mainland youth didn't have "God" in them. They were able to think critically, freely about the West as many of them started to learn more about it when traveling or studying abroad. They started to see the hypocrisy and racism towards Chinese people, culture, government and values. The HK youths that are still stuck on Bible stupid is pretty much hopeless in my opinion. Therefore let them extinct in time as their numbers dwindle over the decades.

Most people are incapable of thinking critically, religion or not, and the Chinese are no exception. If you saw the amount of hogwash my mother-in-law believes because she read them on WeChat, you wouldn't be thinking this.

The truth is, the old Red Guards grew into their role, just as the student protesters of '89 grew into theirs. Not sure if many people remember, but the '89 student movement was truly a national movement, not just restricted to Beijing.

As the Marxist theory says, economic substructure determines social superstructure.
 

KYli

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The purpose is to integrate their economy with the Mainland so regardless of who wins the election, Beijing will have leverage.

The primary purpose is to ensure that pro-China factions would win the elections. The secondary purpose is to make sure even if oppositions won, they wouldn't rock the boat.
 
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