Day One - The War with Iran

Baibar of Jalat

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Reply fairthought

I am sure u ar talking about sa-18 missle. the sa-7 strela at the end of last year was used to shut down a cobra attack helo in iraq near ramdai. their tactics was to lure the helicopter into an ambush after attacking a convoy. Strela is pretty old. definately sa-18 or prob sa-16

my opinion Syrian and iranian backed insurgencies in iraq over the long term would decisively in forcing the occupying forces out.

i hope they do not bomb this week due to i got exams to do!!

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FreeAsia2000

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MIGleader said:
outdated? the syrians have s-300s and mig-29s. russia has long advocated syrian rights to have advanced weapons systems, and its shown.

I think I read an article recently where China and India have agreed to
JOINTLY invest in oil fields in Syria.

I don't think China and India would be too happy at seeing their oil assets
taken over by Halliburton.

MIGleader i'm not sure how steady Russia will be in the face of American
pressure. Over the lasy few years I've noticed quite a tendency on Russia's
part to back down. eg Serbia

In the light of what all parties here agree ...It seem's for once ALL parties
in this forum agree :)

1. What is the US governments best approach to achieve it's goals in Iran

2. Does anybody agree with me that President Ahmadinajad is deliberately
making as many provocative remarks as possible in order to 'force america's
hand as part of a strategy ?


I think it's designed to create an opposition to American policy in the middle east PRIOR to any attack thus making it difficult for any arab states to side with america. In this case arab states as well as Pakistan next door will not be able to assist in any sustained bombing campaign.
Clearly America cannot allow a strong Iranian military to exist after a bombing of it's nuclear sites.


Another indication that Iran's president is not the political novice he is made out to be by his enemies is that Ahmadinejad has cleverly chosen to pick his fight with the west over two highly emotive issues that not only unite the otherwise fragmented regime, but are also more or less bound to provoke the kind of knee-jerk Western reaction that will play into his hands.

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and also to force any internal opposition to either support him or be regarded as 'un-patriotic'
 
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Fairthought

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You have a very good point about Ahmadenajad, He seems to be deliberately coaxing the West into a confrontation. But what is his plan? Surely he does not want to have 500 Iranian scientific and research facilities bombed. That would be a loss of billions of dollars of investment.

Unless most of these nuclear research facilities are just a hoax...

Unless Iran already has nuclear weapons...

Unless Iran sees a way to gain a powerful shiite led ally in Iraq...

Unless more than one of these conditions are true.
 
First off, I just want to say this thread is a great read!

I agree with what many people have said, essentially that this is a very complex situation with the potential for numerous high stake reverberations. Which is why I think sabotage and surgical strikes by unmanned vehicles or special forces, missile attacks, spies, for purposes directly related to the Iranian nuclear program as well as for political manipulation are the most viable options for all parties to pursue. And this may well already be underway.
 

Baibar of Jalat

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about instability in Nigeria and Iran driving up oil and metal stocks[/U

Nigeria and Iran cast a deepening shadow across commodity markets on Monday, pushing oil and gold higher.

Following an attack by militants on one of Royal Dutch Shell’s facilities in Nigeria, the company evacuated staff from four oil production platforms and said it was considering a total staff withdrawal from the west of the country’s delta region.

“The current spate of attacks does seem to be a significant escalation and is creating the impression that the security of Nigerian exports is being compromised,” said Kevin Norrish of Barclays Capital.

IPE February Brent rose 64 cents to $62.90 a barrel while the US markets were closed for the Martin Luther King holiday. Tensions over Iran’s nuclear programme also boosted prices.

“The situation with Iran has raised the volatility of both oil and gold. People are now talking about the possibility that oil could go to $80 a barrel and asking what the reaction will be in the gold market,” said Jon Bergtheil, metals strategist at JPMorgan.

Gold pushed through the $560 level, rising 0.9 per cent to $561.70/$562.50 a troy ounce. There is growing evidence that Middle Eastern investors are recycling petrodollars into other commodities and targeting precious metals.

There was talk on Friday of a significant buyer in the gold market, possibly a Middle Eastern central bank. Diversification of foreign exchange reserves by central banks into other assets is expected to provide further support for gold.

China announced over the weekend that its foreign exchange reserves had increased to a record high of $819bn.

“This underlines the potential significance of China’s asset allocation decisions in driving global financial markets,” said Julian Jessop, chief international economist at Capital Economics.

Gold sentiment has been encouraged by recent rumours that the Chinese central bank may have already amassed more than 1,000 tonnes of gold reserves, far higher than the 600 tonnes reported in June last year.Upward momentum in metals prices also is being supported by new money entering the market. Bloomsbury Mineral Economics estimated that investment by commodity index funds could rise around $80bn to $105-$115bn by the end of 2006 and to $140-$150bn by late 2007.

Platinum rose 1.4 per cent to $1,047 a troy ounce after hitting a record $1,049 with a supply deficit forecast for this year while the growing popularity of low emission cars is expected to support demand.

Copper remained strong at $4,595 a tonne, just short of Friday’s record close of $4,615, while zinc traded 0.8 per cent firmer at $2,077.5 a tonne after it hit a fresh record high of $2,089, supported by a further 1,750 tonne decline in LME inventories.

Lead rose 2.8 per cent to $1,237.5 a tonne helped by talk of strong demand from the US industry battery sector. Aluminium edged 0.1 per cent lower to $2,409.5 amid speculation that plans by Chinese smelters to reduce output because of high raw materials costs were just an attempt to talk the market down.
Interesting to see the Arabs are invested money in Gold and other important commoditees. My point is are the Arabs in the GCC speculating on military action? because in times of crisis gold and other precious metals are seen to be safe stocks unlike dollar holdings, which could theorically collapse, maybe they are just being shrewed economist, but i heard the Saudis have been warned about any military action in advance.

Unnerving times u could say the fog of war has already decided on us. ok i am scare mongering but unless there is a deal that satifies the US then we can relax.
 
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FreeAsia2000

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Plan B

This seem's to be create an ARAB coalition to assist with any attack on Iran or deal with any repercussions in Iraq somewhat similar to the international coalition formed after the invasion of kuwait

Iran Crisis: Cheney Plays the Egypt Card
Vice president deals Mubarak in on nuclear standoff
by James Ridgeway
January 17th, 2006 5:06 PM

WASHINGTON, D.C.--With both Russia and China seeking to quiet the crisis over Iran’s nuclear program, Vice President Dick Cheney’s current visit to the Middle East, where he met with Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak Tuesday, seems likely to make matters worse. Talk of UN Security Council sanctions against Iran, supported loudly by some in the U.S. Congress, is playing badly overseas.

And the sanctions aren’t failing just in the Middle East, either. "Sanctions are not the best or the only way to solve international problems," Sergei Lavrov, the Soviet foreign minister said in Moscow on Tuesday. "The question of sanctions against Iran puts the cart before the horse," news agencies quoted Lavrov as saying.

According to the Iraqi press, Cheney was expected to broach the possibility of Egypt’s sending troops to Iraq--as a last resort--along with other units from countries in the Arab League. Cheney is expected to raise the same idea in Saudi Arabia.

The thinking is that Egypt can be drawn into a confrontation with Iran because of its close proximity and because Egypt's leaders would be happy to come down hard against any Shiite radicals working out of Iran and bent on causing trouble in Egypt. This all comes from Juan Cole, the Mideast expert who teaches at the University of Michigan and keeps a Web page.

The Iraqi government might agree to such a deal in the end run. Egypt has longstanding friendly relations with people in the Iraq guerrilla movement and might have some sway with them. In addition, helping the U.S., which gives it $2 billion in aid, would be a plus, and there is always the possibility of Egypt and the U.S. completing some sort of free-trade arrangement that would open the U.S. to Egyptian goods.

Should the Iran imbroglio go to the UN, Egypt could operate under the UN flag. The countries of the Arab League are against Iran developing nuclear armaments. In other words, dragging Egypt into Iraq might kill two birds with one stone--inserting Egypt as a player in that war, and pushing them toward a confrontation with Iran.

Russia, which has a $1 billion reactor deal in Iran, and China, which gets 12 percent of its oil from Iran, don’t want to put the Iran issue before the UN Security Council for fear the dispute will blow up into a demand for sanctions. Should sanctions be imposed, Iran's leaders have threatened to push up the price of oil, even higher than its current high level. Iran, a big oil and gas producer, plays a major role in OPEC.

As is well known, regime change across the Middle East is the ultimate goal of the neoconservative foreign policy elite within the Bush administration. Overthrowing the right-wing Shiite religious leaders who run Iran is one goal. Another objective is to gut OPEC, which not only includes Iran but also Venezuela, another country openly challenging the U.S. hegemony.

As for Iran's nuclear ambitions, a BBC report, quoting several scientific sources, estimates that country is a good decade away from building any bomb. It is argued in Europe and the Mideast that the Iran situation was pushed into a "crisis" mode by the U.S.

Additional reporting: Michael Roston
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The idea that Hosni of Egypt has any leeway with the groups in Iraq is pretty laughable
 

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pretext for attack by iran??

TEHRAN, IRAN - Iran's president on Wednesday blamed "the occupiers of Iraq" — inferring the United States and Britain — for two bombings that killed at least nine people in the southwestern city of Ahvaz.

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The foreign minister said the bombers were supported by the British military, which is based in southern Iraq. Ahvaz has a history of violence involving members of Iran's Arab minority.

State television said President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad issued a decree ordering his foreign minister and intelligence minister to investigate the possibility that "foreign hands" were responsible for Tuesday's blasts inside a bank and outside a state environmental agency building. Forty-six people were wounded, the official Islamic Republic News Agency has reported.

"Traces of the occupiers of Iraq is evident in the Ahvaz events. They should take responsibility in this regard," state television quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

The blasts occurred in the capital of oil-rich Khuzestan province, which borders Iraq. Ahmadinejad and his entire Cabinet had been expected to visit Ahvaz on the day of the bombings to address local issues, but the president canceled the visit.

Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference Wednesday that the bombs were planted by people "who have taken souvenir pictures with British officials in London, while enjoying the intelligence facilities and the support of the British military commander in Basra," southern Iraq.

Iran repeatedly has accused Britain of provoking unrest in the region, near where 8,500 British soldiers are based in Iraq.

Neither the president nor Mottaki gave any evidence to support their claims of U.S. or British involvement.

On Tuesday, Iran's Interior Minister Mostafa Pourmohammadi said the attacks in Ahvaz were foreign-inspired and related to last year's bombings in the same city.

In October, Iran blamed Britain for two blasts at an Ahvaz shopping mall that killed six people and wounded dozens.

Tehran also blamed June bombings that killed at least eight people on Iranian Arab extremists with ties to foreign governments, including British intelligence.

Britain has denied any connection to the Khuzestan unrest.

Tensions between the two countries have flared recently over Britain's opposition to Iran's resumption of nuclear activities.

The United States and its European allies suspect Iran has ambitions to produce nuclear weapons, and Britain supports moves to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council, which has the power to impose economic and political sanctions.

Iran says its nuclear program is for generating electricity.

Britain also has accused Tehran of allowing Iraqi insurgents to receive explosives technology that has been used to attack British soldiers. Iran denies those allegations.

Arabs make up less than 3 percent of Iran's population, and most live in Khuzestan.

In April, residents of Ahvaz rioted for two days after Arab separatists circulated reports the government planned to decrease the proportion of Arabs in the province. The government denied the claim.

Mod Edit: We have enough Iran threads for the moment so i merged this one with one of the existing.
 
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FreeAsia2000

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Well now the Iranians have officially blamed US, UK & Israeli intelligence agencies for the death of the commander of the Revolutionary Guards..
I think some of us were speculating that it seemed to be a BIG coincidence

Iran claims foul play in plane crashes

Thursday 26 January 2006, 20:33 Makka Time, 17:33 GMT

A military plane crashed into a building in Tehran last December
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Iran has said it had information that the United States, Britain and Israel had a role in two deadly military plane crashes in the last two months.

It was the latest accusation by Tehran against the West in their sharpening confrontation.

A day earlier, Iran blamed the United States and Britain for two bombings that killed at least nine people in the southwestern city of Ahvaz.

Interior Minister Mostafa Pourmohammadi told reporters on the sidelines of a police seminar that "the information we have says that the US, Britain and Israel's intelligence agents intended to create insecurity in Iran".

"Even my evaluation says that the crash of our C-130 and Falcon planes was done by their design, or maybe electronic interference."

Pourmohammadi did not elaborate and did not give any evidence.

In early January, an Iranian military flight carrying a commander of the country's elite Revolutionary Guards and 10 others crashed while trying to make an emergency landing, killing all aboard.

On 6 December 2005, a military transport plane crashed into a 10-storey building near Tehran's Mehrabad airport, killing 115 people.

The plane, a US-made C-130, had suffered engine trouble and the pilot was returning to the airport when the aircraft suddenly lost altitude and slammed into the apartment building.

Most of the passengers were Iranian journalists.

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Interior Minister Mostafa Pourmohammadi told reporters on the sidelines of a police seminar that "the information we have says that the US, Britain and Israel's intelligence agents intended to create insecurity in Iran".

"Even my evaluation says that the crash of our C-130 and Falcon planes was done by their design, or maybe electronic interference."

This is a very strong accusation. We all know that the US, UK and Isreal have the ablity to do this. The problem for the Iranians is proving it. I wonder how much an effort the Itanians have made to investigate these "accidents"? I'd like to see them show some concrete proof.
 
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