Day One - The War with Iran

I agree Crazy, but I think you have to look at the definition of an attack. I believe a cruise missile B-2 strike is nessesary and the ramifications would be less. However if Iran launches major offensive operations after such strike and draws the U.S into a major ground conflict I think my beloved army will face a great challege.....cheers ute.

IDonT said:

I meant that's what IRan will do.

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i see...sry.
iran would not only cost lives, it would cost money. after 3 years of iraq, americans would be pissed as hell if gwb simply decided to invade another middle eastern country. iran might end up supplying terrorists to attack the u.s.

to pay for the soldiers wounded in iran would be an astronomical sum. i thin its wiser to let iran have nukes. iran would probably put a nuclear warhead on a shahab III, which only has a range of 2000 km. but thats enough to hit israel and iraq.

80 more F-16's deployed to Afghanistan


"Coinciding with increased tensions with Iran over the resumption of illicit uranium enrichment, the U.S. Air Force has dispatched additional warplanes to the region in a not-so-subtle sign, military sources say. An entire wing of F-16s, the Air National Guard's 122nd Fighter Wing based in Fort Wayne, Ind., left for a base in southwest Asia on Tuesday. A wing is usually about 72 aircraft and several hundred support personnel. F-16s and support personnel from the 4th Fighter Squadron of the 388th Fighter Wing based at Hill Air Force Base, Utah, also deployed recently to Iraq. The squadron has 12 F-16s. Both units' F-16s could be used in any military operation to take out Iranian nuclear facilities. A spokesman for the U.S. Central Command Air Forces, which runs air operations in the region, said the F-16 deployment of about 80 jets is part of a rotation and is not related to Iran's uranium reprocessing."


The US wont send any foot soldiers in Iran just gaurd the boarders of Iraq and Afghanistan after their nuclear facilities and air to air defenses are bombed to the stone age. That is if the UN security council sits on its a$$ and does nothing.

Intresting read so far chaps,

I would like to make some observations / comments tho

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Iran is supposidly 10 years away from building a nuclear bomb,
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Taking this into account, there is no hurry, in removing those nuclear research facilities.

but

Sooner or later the threat must be delt with, Iran knows its comming, maybe next week, maybe 5 years from now, but it will happen. and every day that passes gives an advantage to Iran, opertunity to buy further supplies, infiltrate positions and identify targets. on this basis, i think the allied forces will want to cease the inititive and destroy the nuclear targets and force "irans" hand before they get a chance to Hide any Ace cards.

In addition, a little reminder of the Syrian factor.

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If Iran or Syria are attacked, it will activate the mutual defence pact.
(( need some accurate info on their capabilities and composition))

IF you attack Iran, there is the posibility that Syria wil get involved. from this point on, many many events can occur, and would probably spiral out of control.

Just want to remind everybody here of what Tommy Gun is saying. You see, after Israel Syria is regarded as the most powerful country in the Middle East. Their military may be outdated, but they are no joke. They have an impressive artillery capability and a very good hand in guerilla warfare.

outdated? the syrians have s-300s and mig-29s. russia has long advocated syrian rights to have advanced weapons systems, and its shown.

I disagree, I think Egypt with its many F-16 and M-1 Abrams. I would put turkey as a better military than Syria. I have talked to a few "friends" that are still in the business and syrian military power has been greatly reduced over the past years. Their upkeep of equipment is very poor. I have been told that the S-300 near damscus dont paint targets and thier positions are still known clear as day. I have also been told that a Mig-29 has not flown in the last 6months. Their 1700 T-72 tank force is being canabalized and may be down to 1000 in service tanks. The best force that syria is upkeeping is its republican guard div and its 15,000 special forces/commando units which are just "good" inf

ALSO CHECK THIS OUT

TEL AVIV — Israel's air force has acquired the S-300 and developed countermeasures as part of an assessment that its Arab neighbors will eventually obtain the advanced Russian anti-aircraft system.

Israeli and European defense sources said Israel has acquired key components of the S-300 Almaz in 1998 from Croatia. The subsystems obtained include radar and fire control components that would allow Israel to examine the operations of the air defense battery.

The system was obtained by Croatia from Yugoslavia in 1995 and then secretly transferred to Israel during the final days of the regime of Croatian President Franjo Tudjman. The sources said the deal was arranged by Croatian Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Zagorec, responsible for the military relationship between Jerusalem and Zagreb.

Israeli military sources would not confirm details of the S-300 transfer. But they said the air force has been preparing for the prospect that such countries as Egypt, Syria or Iran would obtain the system. They said the air force and the Israeli defense industries have developed electronic warfare systems and decoys meant to deceive the S-300, which in the hands of Syria could cover most of Israel's air space.

"The Israeli Air Force began to prepare for the S-300 in the mid-1990s," a senior air force source said. "Delegates visited S-300 sites in Russia and other countries to learn about the system."

A senior Israeli defense source said such state-owned companies as Israel Military Industries and Rafael, Israel Armament Development Authority, have developed means to disrupt or deceive the S-300 system. IMI has developed the Improved Tactical Air Launched Decoy [ITALD], which is meant to fool the S-300 radar. The source said the advanced versions of the SA-12 has a radar that can spot aircraft at a range of up to 300 kilometers.

Res. Brig. Gen. Shlomo Brom, a former head of strategic planning at the Israel Defense Forces and now a senior researcher at Tel Aviv University's Jaffee Center for Strategic Center, said the military appears to have formulated a response to the S-300, including advanced versions such as the SA-12. Brom said that Egypt is interested in obtaining the SA-12 as an answer to Israel's Arrow missile defense system.

"I have no doubt that already several years ago they [Israel's air force] learned of this system," Brom said. "The element of [Arab] surprise is much weaker."

Brom said the S-300, regardless of which model, is an expensive system. As a result, he did not envision that Syria would be able to purchase more than several batteries.

Croatian sources said the S-300 was purchased through the Israeli firm Nevada Trade from an owner listed as Winsley Finance. They said the system was dismantled, with Zagreb keeping the missiles and Israel obtaining the radar components.

war with iran is going to be a problem for the US and allies, but the problem could be solved considering the military power that the US can bring to iran. the bigger problem is politics. this could very much start ww3, although Iran don't have many political allies, but many muslims might see an invasion of Iran as an excuse for the west to invade muslim lands. first its iraq then iran, both are heavy weights in the middle east, they will think "are we going to be next?".... and to save them selves, many more people than the foreign iraqi insurgents might go to iraq and iran and fight against the west. the governmnet might disagree with it, but large populations will be against the war.

on the home front, a lot of americans are already very much against the war in iraq, invading iran will have much higher casulties than iraq, which will bring the support for wars in middle east even lower.

and any kind of attack on iran, iran will surely strike back, because they know if they don't, the government will fall, since support at home will surely drop like a rock.

YES, If it does come to major ground operations this is going to be a mess for both sides. from a tankers point of view right when you enter Iran your engagment ranges go from 2000+ meters to around 300 to 700 meters because of all the hills and such. I think do to the reduced standoff ranges you would see a higher U.S toll. I also worry about all those border cities in Iran poping off missile and rocket fire towards major U.S airbases and army bases.

Again I dont see the U.S invading a country of 70 million that is much bigger than Texas and almost the size of Alaska. With Irans Army, Pasdaran and Baji they could muster within the first 30 days of conflict maybe close to a million men and pour Mujahadeen into souther Iraq. I think they could shell the crap out of Um Qausar which is a major port. Check out google earth and you can see.

BUT I think this needs to happen as a country stating that another country should be destroyed because of religion does not need a atomic weapon...cheers ute.

I'd like to stress the most likely scenario for a war between America and Iran:

US Air Force bombs some 500 scientific and nuclear related targets in Iran.

Iran responds with commandos (who have had years to infiltrate Shiite communities in both Iraq and Afghanistan) striking against US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The US goal can be completed within hours. Then the US has no plan.

The Iranian response can be continued indefinitely, until the US gets dragged into a ground war with Iran.

US ground war with Iran is not what the US wants as it would be a quagmire. But the US has too much pride to walk away from Iraq or Afghanistan and too little patience to endure continuing attacks on US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

At this point, the US will aim for a limited war in Iran's soutwestern oil province (which is not mountainous). This is the region that Saddam Hussein invaded in the Iran-Iraq war. The loss of this region will devastate the Iranian economy.

This is where Iran can start bombing (with missiles or suicide attackers) major oil refineries throughout the persian gulf. This would be justified as these countries are supplying the US with fuel and military bases for their war on Iran. Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain are all prime targets.

China will also have a big problem with the US seizing Iranian oil fields, they already have multibillion dollar contracts at stake. China may decide to sell arms to Iran. Once Iran gets some cyberwarfare equipment, US troops will suffer heavy casualties -from friendly fire.