CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Jingle Bells

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If China is convinced that it will absolutely have to have aircraft carriers as early as 2030 and not at a later point in time, then yes.

Well, I think it would be a waste of money to have just one 003. Since China already sunk money into the carrier reactor as per what VESSEL has said, this would mean that China will eventually develop and put into commission a class of nuclear-powered carrier. I think we can at least agree on the fact that China will have a functional carrier force. In my opinion a Chinese functional carrier force would consist of at the very least 3 catapult-equipped aircraft carrier, eventually nuclear-powered, this is to ensure having at least one carrier on active combat duty at all time.

However, unlike other ships, carriers are ships that rely on their onboard aviation fleet to produce real combat capabilities. Sure you can say that China shouldn't waste money on conventional carriers if she is eventually working towards nuclear-powered carriers. But the problem with this is that the combat capabilities of the ship-borne aviation fleets also needs time for build-up, training, and developing. If China wait upon the nuclear-powered ships, it would mean that she will have to wait until late 2030s at the earliest in order to have a fully combat capable (multi-) carrier fleet. This would be a huge waste of time.

Building at least a couple more conventional carriers like the 003, would give China the ability to develop a large and robust catapult-launched carrier aviation fleet to rotate duty, as well as developing and experimenting on multi-carrier combat group's fighting capabilities, organizations, and other processes. All of which can simply be readily transferred onto the new nuclear-powered ships once they are ready.

After all, carrier are just an naval aviation platforms. It is not the carrier themselves that fight. It's the naval aviation groups carried on-board the carrier that does the fighting. Having those platforms ready earlier is essential in the process of developing the capabilities of those naval aviation groups, even if those platforms themselves are not the most ideal platforms.
 

Intrepid

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With two shipyards involved in aircraft carrier construction (and large port facilities, naval air bases, etc.), I expect a carrier air force of at least the same size as the US operates.

The only question that arises is from when and already with the prototypes 001/002/003 / ... or at a later point in time, formed exclusively from nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.

And if purely nuclear, what happens to the prototypes? Are they later given to friendly nations?
 

Jingle Bells

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With two shipyards involved in aircraft carrier construction (and large port facilities, naval air bases, etc.), I expect a carrier air force of at least the same size as the US operates.

The only question that arises is from when and already with the prototypes 001/002/003 / ... or at a later point in time, formed exclusively from nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.

And if purely nuclear, what happens to the prototypes? Are they later given to friendly nations?
Well, with China's economic size and industrial capabilities, I think we can expect an eventual 6 to 8 carriers on active duty at the very least. PLAN has 2 STOBAR carriers, and one conventional CATOBAR on the way. If the PLAN gets two more conventional CATOBAR before 2030. This will only be 2 STOBAR and 3 CATOBAR, that's only 5 ships. Some times in the 2030s, when the first nuclear powered CATOBAR enters services, it would still only be 6 ships.

Let's say the PLAN start to go to 8 ship before retiring old ships, that would still be 2040s when the Liaoning gets retired. By then, I am pretty sure that Liaoning with a fleet of STOBAR-capable J-35s would be affordable enough for countries that would want to buy them.

If not, China can always just turn it into a floating museum like how the US did with a lot of her retire capital ships. I don't think doing this in the 2040s would gain you a lot of criticism from Chinese people accusing government of being "wasteful". They could sell it at a good price to poorer nations with a big enough budgets. They could offer to convert it into a CATOBAR ship for sale, if those buy it could be interested into paying more. Or they could decommission it and turn it into a floating museum.
 

Jingle Bells

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With two shipyards involved in aircraft carrier construction (and large port facilities, naval air bases, etc.), I expect a carrier air force of at least the same size as the US operates.

The only question that arises is from when and already with the prototypes 001/002/003 / ... or at a later point in time, formed exclusively from nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.

And if purely nuclear, what happens to the prototypes? Are they later given to friendly nations?

I think it all depends on how large PLAN's carrier fleet gets. If at 6 ships max, then the Liaoning would start getting decommissioned at the late 2030s. If at 8 ships max, I would expect Liaoning to be decommissioned at mid 2040s. These are reasonable expectation.

As for the 003s, I wouldn't worry about their fate at all. If at 6 ships max, the 003 would start getting decommissioned at the mid 2040s. If at 8 ships max, the 003 will start getting decommissioned at the late 2040s and early 2050s.
 

Gloire_bb

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The only question that arises is from when and already with the prototypes 001/002/003 / ... or at a later point in time, formed exclusively from nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.

And if purely nuclear, what happens to the prototypes? Are they later given to friendly nations?
Not sure term prototype is applicable to capital ships of this price and complexity in the first place.
So offloading is thinkable only if PLAN itself doesn't need them for some reason.

Thus the simple answer is happy service till the end of their careers, one way or another.
 

Richard Santos

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Realistically, these ships will serve for 50+ years unless the concept of carriers becomes obsolete, geopolitical landscape changes so much that China no longer want or are able to operate a large fleet, or China finds it so geopolitically advantageous to build up an allied naval power than China is willing to pass on serviceable carriers with significant life remaining.
 

Jingle Bells

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Realistically, these ships will serve for 50+ years unless the concept of carriers becomes obsolete, geopolitical landscape changes so much that China no longer want or are able to operate a large fleet, or China finds it so geopolitically advantageous to build up an allied naval power than China is willing to pass on serviceable carriers with significant life remaining.
I doubt 001 and 002 will remain in services for long after a large number of CATOBAR carriers enters services. Logistically, it won't make sense. Of course, unless they are assigned entire different roles.
 

blindsight

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I think it all depends on how large PLAN's carrier fleet gets. If at 6 ships max, then the Liaoning would start getting decommissioned at the late 2030s. If at 8 ships max, I would expect Liaoning to be decommissioned at mid 2040s. These are reasonable expectation.

As for the 003s, I wouldn't worry about their fate at all. If at 6 ships max, the 003 would start getting decommissioned at the mid 2040s. If at 8 ships max, the 003 will start getting decommissioned at the late 2040s and early 2050s.

No way for the 003 to be that short-lived...
 
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