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... and a second aircraft carrier accompanied the ship, because it was not able to launch and recover any fighter aircraft and was therefore defenseless.
CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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That was the USS Enterprise, CV-6, which fought all the way through the war ad because the most decorated ship in US Navy history.
The Task Force was the biggest thing the US Navy could put together in the Pacific and was a HUGE risk.
2 x Fleet carriers
4 x Cruisers
8 x Destroyers
2 x Replenishment ships
But it worked, and though those 16 bombers on one mission dd not cause huge damage...they did mess with the Japanese psychologically, causing them to leave more fighters for homeland defense.
Just the same, the USS Hornet, which launched the B-25s was lost in combat about 6 months later.
See (here on SD) :
The World War II Doolittle Tokyo Raid of April 1942
No photos yet.
The rumours about 002 under construction seem to suggest fabrication of some modules began a period ago.
We will probably only start to see "proof" of 002 once we get photos of the modules beginning assembly in the dry dock, and that could be quite a while away yet.
Along with more information about 057/054B, fzgfzy also shared a bunch .
- He believes, after gather information from numerous sources, that work on the first 002 began at JNCX at the end of last year. There also could be one at Dalian but there definitely is one at JNCX.
- Steam vs EMALS competition has ended. EMALS was deemed superior. However, he personally hasn't heard of the navy ordering EMALS components whereas steam catapult components were ordered years ago. Steam might have won due to sheer readiness. This suggests that EMALS will not be on 002 initially but will be adopted on future ships and might be retrofitted onto 002s during their MLUs.
- He acknowledges that the PLAN commander did not visit JNCX like he did for HDZH's 075 but this is likely due to the newness of the JNCX carrier facility. The paths in the facility are still rough and the mess hall probably isn't ready either.
- Additionally, the modules possibly haven't been built up to a level that would warrant inspection by the PLAN commander.
- The displacement of the 002 is slightly less than 80,000 tonnes.
thanks for the translation, as always.
anyway, those two points are the most interesting to me.
the first, is about what will happen at DL after they're done with 001A. Will they build a second 002 (or 002A?) while JNCX would be proceeding forward in the middle of 002 construction by then, or will there be a delay until after the first 002 is launched or even commissioned etc?
the second point, is more interesting, because I think fzgfzy's logic is a bit off in this case. From my understanding the EM vs steam cat competition only really began 1.5-2 years ago and only really should have proceeded over the last year or so. If steam cat components were ordered years ago, that would likely be indicative of the Navy making the order for the steam cat components well before the EM vs steam cat competition began and possibly well before anyone first thought to do an EM vs steam cat competition at all.
If the EM cat really did win the competition, and if there are no manufacturing issues, then I wouldn't necessarily interpret orders of steam cat components from years ago and lack of awareness of EM cat component orders right now to mean the Navy is going with steam over EM. It could be that the Navy has just yet to make an order for it for various non-technical reasons or maybe the Navy did make an order but fzgfzy has yet to hear about it.
That said, at this stage I think whether the first 002 will use steam or EM cats is still very much up in the air. If EM cat really did win the competition then you'd think there would be a change on this front in coming months, but given it was assumed that 002 would be using steam cats from the get go since years ago and was only recently in last two years considered that it may use EM cat, I can understand why steam cat may be considered the null hypothesis and thus we would need quite a bit of evidence to consider 002 as using EM cat over steam.
also, I wonder if his displacement count is still using standard displacement or full.
asif iqbal
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Ok is clearly 002 is under construction
Wow
So is CV-17 and Type 075
And we have Type 055
All big ticket items
Where is the money coming from ? What is the naval budget ?
Plus the traditional lines of FFG and DDG are running at break neck pace
China pouring it on
Wow
So is CV-17 and Type 075
And we have Type 055
All big ticket items
Where is the money coming from ? What is the naval budget ?
Plus the traditional lines of FFG and DDG are running at break neck pace
China pouring it on
With last plans for Navy, facts we see with ships construction in addition confirmed Q-5 not replaced one by one by J-16 etc... so it is clear Navy is a priority over Air Force, Army.
Not necessarily. Navy production is much harder to hide. In fact, its almost impossible. Putting up a large building near the ocean and a shipyard would even say you are up to something.
Aircraft development and manufacturing is much easier to hide. Look at the US F-117 as an example. It was manufactured near a major urban area and kept hidden for 20 years. So, few know what China is truly up to on the aircraft front.
Yes and no... fortunately for we as you say ships harder to hide but remains very long to know spécifications.
F-117 no 20 years ! in service in 1983 and revealed in 1988.