CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[The Observer]

Maybe not so for now. PLAN seems strongly confident of their Type 1130 + HQ-10 combination, along with their EW and decoy suites.

Its not like they already have their Sea Sparrow equivalent before, it so happens to be the PLAN's first ever air defense missile.

In the PLAN's first ever attempt for an air defense frigate, the 053K, there is a feeder on the back of the launcher that will feed the missiles. A similar system is implemented on the HQ-7.


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What I might find a possibility, is the 20 barrel or dual CIWS might be used on 003 or future carriers. The recent revelation is one way of drip feeding this information to the public.

A minor change I might forecast is they will forego with the 18 missile launcher for the HQ-10 like on the Liaoning and go with the 24 missile launcher instead.

Even if HHQ-10 appears to be a RAM copy, the kind of confidence the PLAN seems to have for it --- its being installed everywhere, even considered side mounted on the gun CIWS such as the 730C --- suggests to me its very effective and that there is more to it that meets the eye.

HQ-10 could indeed be very effective, but I think a quadpacked MR SAM (the rumored "triple 5" maybe?) can compliment it by extending the engagement bubble, especiallly with the hypersonics incoming. I'm much more skeptical about gun based CIWS future, also because of hypersonics, but we'll see.

 

[Tam]

HQ-10 could indeed be very effective, but I think a quadpacked MR SAM (the rumored "triple 5" maybe?) can compliment it by extending the engagement bubble, especiallly with the hypersonics incoming. I'm much more skeptical about gun based CIWS future, also because of hypersonics, but we'll see.

I kind of doubt the shot to midrange SAMs are enough against hypersonics. My best bet against hypersonics would be ECM. Errors induced against the missile's radar seeker might force it to miss, and the hypersonic needs to be very accurate due to its unforgiving high speed.

No one really talks about it, since they are more obsessed about length and tonnage, but the 003 will look like it will have the 055's ECM, which is in the form of two large panels at the side of the island. This CGI is faithful to the mockup, except to the relative scale of the ECM array's size. It is the panel on top of the "18". Match that to the panels underneath the bridge wings of the 055.






That's one hoot of an ECM. Its almost a microwave weapon.

The 003's also features both the 055's S and X-band radars. If you combine that with CEC --- top mast of the 003 meets the panels on the 055's integrated mast --- both ships can sensor fusion from all their huge AESAs to track the target. Keep in mind the 055 will be the 003's escort, so the VLS will allow for a future HQ-9 variant and if that fails you still got the ECMs from these ships working in unison.

 

[Blitzo]

Interesting. the hull design seems to still be relatively low slung, and more like that on the Kutznetsov than on the large US carrier.

What is the waterline to deck height of tge Liaoning?

I'm not sure how we can determine the comparative hull profile of the ship from that angle compared to the likes of Liaoning/shandong versus other carriers when they aren't taken from equivalent perspectives.

Especially given in this case, 003 is sitting "low" because it is "below" the perspective of the camera, given it is in the drydock.

 

[hkvaryag]

It looks spectacular, but very blurry...
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AFTER PS

 

[Richard Santos]

Looks like floating out can occur well before the end of the year, sea trial by early 2023, service hand over 6 month later, initial deployment in 2024.

 

[Blitzo]

Looks like floating out can occur well before the end of the year, sea trial by early 2023, service hand over 6 month later, initial deployment in 2024.

Strictly speaking not technically impossible for launch to happen before end of the year.

But I expect it is more likely that launch will be quarter 1 of 2022 rather than late 2021.

 

[SINCHIKI]

AFTER PS

LMAO You're right, this is my oil painting, 003 does not exist.

 

[MwRYum]

I find it extremely unlikely that china will build only one hull to this design. it makes little sense. any word on any second hull?

CV-17 is a one-off (though to fulfil the urgency to have a carrier on duty) and the Type 003 is expected to be interim before the final model (Type 004), unless Type 003 really nailed it, and the CATOBAR aviation assets are in place ahead of schedule...

Besides, we don't see the 2nd hull of the Type 003 at anywhere, no?

 

[9615]

CV-17 is a one-off (though to fulfil the urgency to have a carrier on duty) and the Type 003 is expected to be interim before the final model (Type 004), unless Type 003 really nailed it, and the CATOBAR aviation assets are in place ahead of schedule...

Besides, we don't see the 2nd hull of the Type 003 at anywhere, no?

Type 003 is a nice test bed for CATOBAR deck operation. It would be reasonable to guess they will build a 2nd hull of Type 003 before they start the construction of Type 004, which is nuclear powered. This will allow them to have 4 operational carriers before year 2030, while learning how to operate a CVN (Type 004).

 

[SINCHIKI]

AFTER PS

Oh no......I'm sooooo sorry about misunderstood your statement without browse your photo.
This is a solemn apology, and actually I need more patience, don't care about my stupid violent speech，this is my shortcoming. > <
Thanks for your PS~