CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Blitzo

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Perhaps not...time will tell. When I see that pic published in an article with the tatment by the PRC official...IMHO, that gives it additional weight.

If that official did not know that that particular picture would be published in the article, then all bets are off.

Wait, I'm confused -- what statement by which PRC official?

That picture is from some sort of academic study, and unrelated to any statement by any Chinese official. Am I misunderstanding you or might you be mixing two separate events up?


This is the full page of the particular study that the picture is from, and is quite a few years old (nearly four years old now):
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Intrepid

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Even the Liaoning already has greater capability than 2 cats (by which I mean available surface area).
The Charles De Gaulle with two catapults has a greater capability than Liaoning with her ski jump and only one long take-off strip. And a Liaoning-type carrier with two cats will have an even greater capability than Charles De Gaulle or Liaoning.
 

kwaigonegin

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The Charles De Gaulle with two catapults has a greater capability than Liaoning with her ski jump and only one long take-off strip. And a Liaoning-type carrier with two cats will have an even greater capability than Charles De Gaulle or Liaoning.

Can you be more specific? what is your definition of 'greater capability'?
Are you talking about launch cycles? or MTOW of airctafts etc?
Also how can CV17 have 2 cats? I thought we've already determined there are no cats on the ski ramp.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Wait, I'm confused -- what statement by which PRC official?

That picture is from some sort of academic study, and unrelated to any statement by any Chinese official. Am I misunderstanding you or might you be mixing two separate events up?


This is the full page of the particular study that the picture is from, and is quite a few years old (nearly four years old now):
2ugkl7q.jpg

Whatever she looks like one thing will be clear. This new carrier will finally allow PLAN to be airborne AEW capable which means unlike CV 16/17 finally allows PLAN to have a true expeditionary carrier strike group venturing very far away from any land mass.
I think the key is the Y7J.
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If they achieve that, PLAN will be the 3rd navy in the world that has that capability. A true blue water expeditionary carrier strike group.
Other than the USN and marine nationale, no other navy in the world has that capability at present.
 

Intrepid

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... what is your definition of 'greater capability'?
Are you talking about launch cycles? or MTOW of airctafts etc?
Also how can CV17 have 2 cats? I thought we've already determined there are no cats on the ski ramp.
Greater capability is to launch all types of aircraft (fighter, bomber, recce, AEW, tanker, etc.) from all take-off-positions at their maximum load.

And a CATOBAR-carrier on a Liaoning-type hull with a flat bow can have two catapults (may be even three, if on the starboard side remains enough length on a than shorter flat bow). Not CV 16 and Type 001A, they can have only one catapult on the angled deck.
 

Iron Man

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The Charles De Gaulle with two catapults has a greater capability than Liaoning with her ski jump and only one long take-off strip. And a Liaoning-type carrier with two cats will have an even greater capability than Charles De Gaulle or Liaoning.
The second part is what I'm trying to convey. Actually IMO the Liaoning has enough surface area to accommodate 3 cats at least, maybe even 4, in possibly the same layout as the Nimitz with 2 bow and 2 waist cats. Even if it cannot, the POTENTIAL of the Liaoning's flight deck surface area is already greater than either the Charles De Gaulle or the purported CG of CV-18, so the actual CV-18 which by all accounts is going to be even larger than the Liaoning should reasonably also have 3 or even 4 cats.

Whatever she looks like one thing will be clear. This new carrier will finally allow PLAN to be airborne AEW capable which means unlike CV 16/17 finally allows PLAN to have a true expeditionary carrier strike group venturing very far away from any land mass.
I think the key is the Y7J.
5VxETmF.jpg


If they achieve that, PLAN will be the 3rd navy in the world that has that capability. A true blue water expeditionary carrier strike group.
Other than the USN and marine nationale, no other navy in the world has that capability at present.
How sure are you that this new design is based on the Y-7 airframe? An AEW/C aircraft based on the Y-7 would be very large (compared to the E-2). Maybe a scaled-down version, or even a completely different aircraft.
 

Intrepid

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Actually IMO the Liaoning has enough surface area to accommodate 3 cats at least, maybe even 4, in possibly the same layout as the Nimitz with 2 bow and 2 waist cats.
In front of the forward elevator is not enough length for a starboard bow catapult. So I think a CATOBAR-Liaoning would have two cats, one on the port bow and one waist cat.

On a 20 meters longer hull a 3- or 4-cat-layout would fit.
 

Intrepid

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By the way and a little bit off-topic: this discussion about number of cats, hangar height, number of elevators, etc. remembers me of the
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-discussions in the 1950th and 1960th about CV 58 United States, the Forrestal Class and its successors. All quite the same.
 
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