CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[Blitzo]

The model for the greenfield JNCX shipyard from early to mid 2000s depicted a carrier being built in the other drydock...

model:

real picture from plane (old):

Dimensions for that JN drydock in question is 79m x 374m+ (on GE)

Dimensions compared to DL's drydock where Liaoning was refitted/001A is being constructed, is 79-80m x 363m+

The USS Ford is built in Drydock 12 at Newport News, which has dimensions of 76.2m x 661m (obviously for Newport news drydock 12, the full 661m length of the shipyard is neither necessary or used for the entirety of the ship but is used for hosting other modules or facilities during construction/assembly)


So considering all the above, I think the JN drydock that will most likely be used the consturct the carrier will be the one at 31°21'4.19"N 121°44'18.44"E and not the one directly next to it/northwest of it at 31°21'8.03"N 121°44'10.48"E

Needless to say, 79m x 374m+ will be big enough to build a carrier up to, as big, or maybe even a bit bigger than a Nimitz/Ford class. So I'm sure it'll be more than enough for the expected 80,000 ton full displacement 002.

 

[Blitzo]

Comparison between the JNCX drydock I'm talking about with Newport News Drydock 12, both taken at same visual altitude on GE at 948m for accurate scaling.

We can see that Drydock 12 is much longer than JNCX's drydock, but that's not very important as only half of Drydock 12 would be used for actually accommodating the ship itself and JNCX is long enough to accommodate any sort of modern day super carrier. More important is that JNCX is as wide, if not a little bit wider than Drydock 12 (one can measure it on GE earth yourself if you want, using coordinates in my last post)

 

[Jeff Head]

Very similar deck configuration to the FS R91 Charles de Gaulle....check the placement of the catapults. Excellent design on the PLAN CV..

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Yes, it is clear that if they use this sketch for the basic design as shown :



Then they are looking at one bow cat nd one waist cat for a total of two cats. They will be able to simultaneouse landing and take off on the angled deck.

I expect that that carrier is going to be somewhat longer and wider than the CDG. it will have a larger hangar and will be able to accomodate 30+ of the large (much larger than the Rafale) J-20s.

But it will be an effective carrier like the CDG is. Not as high a tempo or as many sorties as a Nimitz or Ford class certaianly, but still they will be trying to improve on a proven, good dsgn that the Frnch have used (in terms of eck layout) since the Clemenceau class of the late 1950s.

So, I expect it will be a very decent carrier.

 

[Blitzo]

Yes, it is clear that if they use this sketch for the basic design as shown :

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Then they are looking at one bow cat nd one waist cat for a total of two cats. They will be able to simultaneouse landing and take off on the angled deck.

I expect that that carrier is going to be somewhat longer and wider than the CDG. it will have a larger hangar and will be able to accomodate 30+ of the large (much larger than the Rafale) J-20s.

But it will be an effective carrier like the CDG is. Not as high a tempo or as many sorties as a Nimitz or Ford class certaianly, but still they will be trying to improve on a proven, good dsgn that the Frnch have used (in terms of eck layout) since the Clemenceau class of the late 1950s.

So, I expect it will be a very decent carrier.

Err.

Your reply to popeye has been made in like two or three threads, so to avoid spreading potential misinformation, I'd like to emphasize that we do not have any sort of confirmation as to what kind of configuration 002 will be, and that the study image in question was likely one of many configurations considered....

And that recently, fzgfzy (a big shrimp) himself indicated that he strongly believed 002 will be a three catapult carrier.


So I would warn everyone to not get too excited about that study image and to not simply assume that because of it, we now know what 002 will look like or even how many catapults it has, because we definitely do not.

 

[Lethe]

From my layman's perspective it would seem strange for a ship some 70% larger than CdG to have the save number of cats....

Three seems a good number to me.

 

[Jeff Head]

Err.

Your reply to popeye has been made in like two or three threads, so to avoid spreading potential misinformation, I'd like to emphasize that we do not have any sort of confirmation as to what kind of configuration 002 will be, and that the study image in question was likely one of many configurations considered....

And that recently, fzgfzy (a big shrimp) himself indicated that he strongly believed 002 will be a three catapult carrier.


So I would warn everyone to not get too excited about that study image and to not simply assume that because of it, we now know what 002 will look like or even how many catapults it has, because we definitely do not.

I simply made a comment about the image associated with the study and the link.

And it was not a derogatory comment in th least...in fact I indicated that that particular design has been proven over decades to be a very decent design.

My point is that if we take one part as having great relevance because of the quote contained in it, then discount other parts, we might be not treating it fairly. I am sure the man making the comment about where the carrier is being built and when also knew of the rest of the article his name was associated with...or perhaps not.

I believe he probably would...and he made his comment in that environment, so the picture should carry some weight.

As I said...time will tell...but the design itself is not a bad one in the least, nor were my comments meant to imply that they were.

 

[Blitzo]

I simply made a comment about the image associated with the study and the link.

And it was not a derogatory comment in th least...in fact I indicated that that particular design has been proven over decades to be a very decent design.

My point is that if we take one part as having great relevance because of the quote contained in it, then discount other parts, we might be not treating it fairly. I am sure the man making the comment about where the carrier is being built and when also knew of the rest of the article his name was associated with...or perhaps not.

I believe he probably would...and he made his comment in that environment, so the picture should carry some weight.

As I said...time will tell...but the design itself is not a bad one in the least, nor were my comments meant to imply that they were.

I didn't say that your comments were derogatory nor do I believe the carrier design is somehow incapable or anything like that.

I am however saying that the picture does not carry as much weight as you have interpreted it to, especially in light of more recent comments by big shrimps.
In other words, I am cautioning that the picture should be placed in current known context, and not be thought of as any sort of guide for what the real thing may or may look like, but merely be considered to be one of the likely configurations that they looked at.

 

[Blitzo]

Comparison between the JNCX drydock I'm talking about with Newport News Drydock 12, both taken at same visual altitude on GE at 948m for accurate scaling.

We can see that Drydock 12 is much longer than JNCX's drydock, but that's not very important as only half of Drydock 12 would be used for actually accommodating the ship itself and JNCX is long enough to accommodate any sort of modern day super carrier. More important is that JNCX is as wide, if not a little bit wider than Drydock 12 (one can measure it on GE earth yourself if you want, using coordinates in my last post)

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added in comparison with DL's drydock. all at 948m elevation again

 

[Gloire_bb]

But it will be an effective carrier like the CDG is.

With recently released numbers of CdG at hand(for her current deployement) - sounds very ironical.

 

[Jeff Head]

I am however saying that the picture does not carry as much weight as you have interpreted it to, especially in light of more recent comments by big shrimps.

Perhaps not...time will tell. When I see that pic published in an article with the tatment by the PRC official...IMHO, that gives it additional weight.

If that official did not know that that particular picture would be published in the article, then all bets are off.

In other words, I am cautioning that the picture should be placed in current known context, and not be thought of as any sort of guide for what the real thing may or may look like, but merely be considered to be one of the likely configurations that they looked at.

Fair enough.

Again...time will certainly tell.