CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Orthan

Senior Member
Hi,

The size is similar to Nimitz Class. Because the modules are separate.

Well, if the weight of the carrier is 80000t, then it should closer to kitty hawk carrier(326 meters) rather than the nimitz class(332). Both carriers have a beam of 40 meters at the waterline. We know that 003 is also 40 meters.

But this is all guessing at this point, of course. When we have all the bottom modules connected, then we will have a better (but still not definite) ideia of how big it is.
 

para80

Junior Member
Registered Member
Well, if the weight of the carrier is 80000t, then it should closer to kitty hawk carrier(326 meters) rather than the nimitz class(332). Both carriers have a beam of 40 meters at the waterline. We know that 003 is also 40 meters.

But this is all guessing at this point, of course. When we have all the bottom modules connected, then we will have a better (but still not definite) ideia of how big it is.

You cannot deduce such differences in displacement from waterline measures. CVN-65 is still the longest carrier with 342 metres and had a beam of 40.5 metres, yet was 10k tons less than the Nimitz carriers.
 

Orthan

Senior Member
You cannot deduce such differences in displacement from waterline measures. CVN-65 is still the longest carrier with 342 metres and had a beam of 40.5 metres, yet was 10k tons less than the Nimitz carriers.

I agree. Thats why i said its all guessing at this point. But with the bottom modules connected, we will get a better ideia of how big it is, regardless of displacement.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
I have no idea why you would think they would use a steam engine.

Because the transmission for gas turbine could be extremely big, expensive an heavy.And a water cooled water moderated nuclear reactor can't make high temperature working medium for gas turbine.

Nice finding about the Winterthur.

But there is no lack of steam turbines in China.

In Europe there was a turbine manufacturer for every ten million country.


Problem is having experience in power plant steam turbines having small amount of common aspects with ship steam turbines.
 

Orthan

Senior Member
So, any new ship engine needs to be Chinese designed,

Havent followed shandong carrier development, but according to wikipedia, shandong´s turbines are derived from those used in the varyag/liaoning carrier. Do you think that china has design a brand new turbine for 003, or will also use the turbines from shandong carrier, just adding more turbines for the adicional displacement ?
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Because the transmission for gas turbine could be extremely big, expensive an heavy.And a water cooled water moderated nuclear reactor can't make high temperature working medium for gas turbine.

Nice finding about the Winterthur.

In Europe there was a turbine manufacturer for every ten million country.

Problem is having experience in power plant steam turbines having small amount of common aspects with ship steam turbines.

Nope Steam turbine is steam turbine they are the same whether it is power plant or ship power plant The difference is boiler because of space and height requirement . You have to have compact boiler before WWII it is A frame but now O frame boiler and turbocharge. In submarine the reactor is highly enriched vs low enrich in civilian reactor again to reduce dimension.

China is highly developed when it come to conventional or nuclear power plant they built literally thousand of power plant for domestic and export market. The also have extensive ecosystem for power plant
Heck I am not sure if parson steam turbine still exist. I know both GE and Siemens are struggling now.

Sulzer and Wartsilla use to be dominating the ship diesel engines but I think Sulzer now sold most of their power plant portfolio including steam turbine, gas turbine and diesel
 

Richard Santos

Captain
Registered Member
A ship’s length and beam, and even draft, offers a relatively poor indicator of its displacement. It’s underwater shape, partially encapsulated in block coefficient, can make the displacement quite different for the same dimensions. Block coefficient measure a hull’s true displacement as a fraction of the displacement of a box with the same overall length, width and depth. In general, a ship with low block coefficient, or smaller displacement for it’s dimension, tend to be Hydrodynamical more efficient. At the same time, it is easier to work in better stability, extensive watertight compartmentalisation, and great depth of protection Against underwater attack in a ship which high block coefficient. However, high block coefficient can also be an indication the ship is constrained in allowable maximum length, beam and draft. Recent US carriers all tend to have high block coefficients because limitations of existing naval docking facilities that dates from WWII limit the extent to which length and beam of US carriers can increase. No doubt the US would have made the Nimitz longer and Beamier for the same displacement had the docking restriction been removed.

So, unless for some reason the Chinese have similar docking restrictions as the USN, I would expect if a Chinese carrier has the same displacement as the Nimitz, then the Chinese carrier would be somewhat longer and beamier, possibly deeper draft, than the Nimitz, but have a finer underwater hull shape.

conversely, if the Chinese carrier has the same length, beam and draft as the Nimitz, the Chinese carrier would have significantly less displacement, thanks again to a finer underwater hull shape.
 

Tam

Brigadier
Registered Member
Because the transmission for gas turbine could be extremely big, expensive an heavy.And a water cooled water moderated nuclear reactor can't make high temperature working medium for gas turbine.

What? CSSC's LNG carriers are using two stroke engines. They are not using gas or steam turbine.

Nice finding about the Winterthur.



In Europe there was a turbine manufacturer for every ten million country.


Problem is having experience in power plant steam turbines having small amount of common aspects with ship steam turbines.

China has been making steam turbines on its own since the fifties. That includes for various ships including all the Type 051 'Luda' destroyers that are all using steam turbines.

The first steam turbines used with ships were contracted from companies that built steam turbines for power plants and even hydroelectric turbines for dams. A good example is GE which stands for General Electric.
 
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