CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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What would the incentive be for that? And why is this point of any importance anyway?
What you are saying makes zero logical sense my friend.
By all that BS Minnie Chan is writing and has posted over the years I wouldn't be surprised if there was no interview and she all invented thsi similar to all the other stuff.
Anyway, this is the Type 003 thread and not the Liaoning's one.
its really huge.. the dock is 350m.
even considering gaps between modules, the waterline length should be at least 310m.
It is nice Gish gallop, but bring few issue to the surface .
Example, when I heard that the Jingnan will make LNG carriers I had a whops moment, thinking about maybe they will make a steam turbine powertrain, and if I trace back the supplier then I can find the possible carrier main engine.
But it was a failure, because all supplier was European company.
As I dig deeper the tally doesn't get better, example :
It is a Taiwanese company, ordered container ships from Jingnan.
The engines are : CMD-WinGD 11X92B
CMP-MAN 9L32/40
Both manufactured by the CSSC Marine Power , but if you dig deeper then the CMD-WinGD 11X92B is a Winterthur design, the CMP-MAN 9L32/40 is a MAN design.
So, there is only manufacturing capacity, but no design capacity regards of core ship systems.
The design and most likely key components of quality, problem solving and production scheduling is managed by European companies.
So, any new ship engine needs to be Chinese designed, but the commercial experience doesn't give any help for military ship designs, because it doesn't exist in China .
IF you bring counterexamples then more than welcome : ) I am more than interested about them.
Seems like it was a joint venture, so some R&D is included.
I have no idea why you would think they would use a steam engine.
WIN-GD is OWNED by CSSC.
Our History
WinGD originated from the diesel engine business of Sulzer Corporation in Winterthur, established in 1893 when the Sulzer Brothers signed an agreement with Rudolf Diesel for his new engine technology.
Sulzer started diesel engine manufacturing in 1903 in Winterthur. In 1986 the last diesel engine left the Winterthur facility.
Going forward to November 1990, Sulzer established its Diesel Engine & Diesel Power Plant Division as a separate company, New Sulzer Diesel Ltd.
In April 1997, New Sulzer Diesel Ltd. merged with Wärtsilä Diesel Oy to create Wärtsilä NSD Corporation which later became Wärtsilä Corporation. The Swiss company, Wärtsilä Switzerland Ltd., responsible for the low-speed, two-stroke engine within Wärtsilä, was merged with China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) in early 2015 and renamed Winterthur Gas & Diesel Ltd. (WinGD). In 2016, Wärtsilä Corporation transferred its remaining shares of WinGD to CSSC making WinGD 100% owned by CSSC.
The engine brand was changed from 'Wärtsilä' to ‘WinGD’. Today WinGD supports its engines with state-of the-art digital technologies, training and warranty services.
That is the former Wartsila company. Means all designs and patents are transferred to CSSC.
As far as 9L32/40 engine goes, that is MAN licensing to many companies around the world, including Hyundai. This engine is also built under license in China since 2009.
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Win-GD used to be Wartsila's Swiss arm but is now a 100% CSSC owned company.
As far as I know with Jiangnan's LNG carriers is that they are using two and four stroke engines. Turbine engines have been on a decline for many years now on the commercial field due to the low speed efficiency of piston engines.
But there is no lack of steam turbines in China.
China supplies half of world’s steam turbines, says report
By · On March 7, 2018
Research And Markets.com’s Steam and Gas Turbine Report 2018 predicts that the turbine market will grow at a cagr of 4.4%, due to the continued increase in coal-fired and gas-fired power capacity, industrial expansion in the developing world and tightening AQ controls. China and India are pruning back on new coal-fired plants, but they are not stopping. Turkey, Indonesia and Bangladesh are going large on coal, and the United States is up-grading large chunks of its big coal-fired fleet to supercritical technology. This activity means more, advanced class steam turbines. Developments of gas turbines are expected in China.
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China produces over half the world’s steam turbines, with Shanghai Electric, Dongfang and Harbin Electric the global leaders
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Production and off-take of GTs have lagged far behind in China, because of the supremacy of coal. This is changing as the country expands its relatively small gas share. Shanghai Electric and Harbin have already bought into GT technology with acquisitions and partnerships.
There are two HTC, while it may sound confusing, one stands for Hanzhou Turbine Company and the other Harbin Turbine Company.