CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

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jobjed

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Iron Man said:
So then is "001" a Type or a Project? If Project then we still don't know what the official PLAN classification of the Liaoning is.
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Finally found the picture and it's a 'type' designation, indeed.

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Iron Man

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plawolf said:
We should also not blithely assume that the PLAN combat availability will follow the same trend as western navies because of the vast and fundamentally different ways the PLAN treats and uses its warships compared to the west.

The western navies generally have this ‘policemen of the seas’ mentality and unspoken mission statement. Whereby their ships are pretty much out on development(patrol) whenever they are available.

You need a 3 times multiplier to be able to know how many ships are on the ‘ready for, or already deployed’ roster at any one time when you are on such a perpetual deployment cycle.

The PLAN does not burden itself with such continuous and open-end commitments.

While the western media and analysists tend to sneer to the sight of the bulk of the PLAN fleet tied up at port, the other side of the coin is that all those warships are pretty much ready for immediate deployment within 24-48h max.

Because the PLAN typically only send their warships out on short training missions (excluding it’s Aidan anti piracy missions and irregular one-off goodwill tours), those ships need correspondingly less repair and refit time once they return to port.

Similarly, their crews won’t be released on long rotational breaks since there isn’t the same hardship of long term deployment that they need to be ‘compensated’ for, that elemates the recall period, and also should vastly reduce re-training needs, since those crews would have been on near constant training while their ships were tied at port, and would not need to be brought back up to speed as those who have just returned from months off would.
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I would like to know where you are getting all of this information from. For example, where did you get the information that PLAN ships are ready for deployment within "24-48h" max? Where did you get the information that the PLAN "only" sends its ships out on "short" training missions? What is "short"? And how do you know that those ships need correspondingly "less" repair and refit time? How much less? How do you know their crews won't be released on long rotational breaks?

Is all this just speculative or do you actually have PLAN deployment schedules like the USN publishes for their ships?
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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LOL I'm guessing I'm being ignored big way here
inside the article Friday at 9:02 PM
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"But for about a week, no US carriers could be found away from port anywhere in the world."
Jura said:
LOL this is not to answer for Jeff, but I'd say to have one deployed 365/24/7; if you're thinking like common Jura it'd be more than one, then you should probably check this:
The US had no aircraft carriers deployed for the first time since at least 2000 — but Russia and China do Jan. 6, 2017
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"The US operates the most aircraft carriers of any country, but for the first time since at least 2000, and possibly since World War II, not a single US carrier was deployed, the US Navy has confirmed to Business Insider. ..." etc.
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Intrepid

Intrepid

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plawolf said:
Because the PLAN typically only send their warships out on short training missions (excluding it’s Aidan anti piracy missions and irregular one-off goodwill tours), those ships need correspondingly less repair and refit time once they return to port.

Similarly, their crews won’t be released on long rotational breaks since there isn’t the same hardship of long term deployment that they need to be ‘compensated’ for, that elemates the recall period, and also should vastly reduce re-training needs, since those crews would have been on near constant training while their ships were tied at port, and would not need to be brought back up to speed as those who have just returned from months off would.
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If you have not sailed through a special region of water, you are not familiar with that region and you can not win a fight in that region. Deployments enable you to fight far away from home.
 
Hendrik_2000

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From global Times.. Of course we know it from rumor but this is the first official announcement by CSIC
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China eyes nuclear-powered carriers: defense firm
By Guo Yuandan and Bai Tiantian Source:Global Times Published: 2018/2/28 15:53:39

China's future aircraft carrier may be nuclear-powered, according to research information released by a State-owned defense company on Wednesday.

China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC) said in a statement on Tuesday that it plans to "speed up the process of making technological breakthroughs in nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, new-type nuclear submarines, quiet submarines, maritime unmanned intelligent confrontation systems, maritime three-dimensional offensive and defensive systems, and naval warfare comprehensive electronic information systems."

It is the first time a State-owned Chinese defense company has openly identified nuclear-powered aircraft carriers on its agenda.

CSIC late on Wednesday removed the sentence involving nuclear-powered vessels from the announcement on its website.

Military experts said China may have achieved initial progress in its research of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers and it may not be too long before authorities confirm the news.

"I think we can say that China has made major breakthroughs in the implementation of nuclear power on large vessels," Li Jie, a Beijing-based naval expert, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

In a veiled reference in November, CSIC Chairman Hu Wenming said in a speech at the Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Company construction site in Liaoning Province for China's first domestically made aircraft carrier that China is capable of designing and building any type of aircraft carrier.

"Hu's speech indicates that China can build aircraft carriers powered by diesel, gas or nuclear power," Li said. "The country has mastered all the fundamental core technologies, including ski-jump and catapult-assisted launch technologies.

"In the future, China's national interests will continue to expand overseas. Without a fleet of large nuclear-powered vessels, the Chinese navy cannot sail for a long time to faraway waters."

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s with conventional power require the company of large depot ships, Li said, which in turn requires replenishment from ports or overseas bases. "This is conducive to protecting national security and overseas interests."

China commissioned its first aircraft carrier Liaoning, a refurbished Soviet ship it bought from Ukraine, in 2012. Its second carrier and the first domestically built carrier, known as Type 001A, was a close copy of the Liaoning and was launched in April last year.

Media reported that a third aircraft carrier, Type 002, is being under construction at the Shanghai Jiangnan Shipyard Group, although it has yet to be officially confirmed by Chinese authorities.

"Each carrier achieves some breakthroughs," Li said. "The second absorbed and consolidated technologies from the first one. The third carrier is able to use an electromagnetic aircraft launch system from the conventional ski-jump system. The fourth may witness breakthroughs in power units."

Established in July 1999, CSIC owns the largest shipbuilding and repair facilities in China and is a leading player in the research and design of naval and merchant ships.

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