CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

latenlazy

Brigadier
Look at the catapults: the Chinese build both, the steam (loser) and the electromagnetic (winner) catapult. And as I read they changed the technical solution because they have more or other experience then the US-Navy with electro-magnetic propulsion.

Additionaly I think the chinese have a very very capable intelligence service and know a lot of things the Americans are thinking and discussing. They know what is going wrong and why it is going wrong (far away in the United States). And they can decide to make the same mistake to get the experience or to skip it.

A lot of western people went to China with their knowledge to work there.
China doesn't even need to use its intelligence services to learn the US knowledge base and examine US technical competence. They have a large inflow of repatriated scientists, engineers, and academics who recieved their education abroad. Nation states aren't the basic units in which bodies of knowledge are acquired, held, and applied. People are, and people flow across national borders.

In that sense the conceptual underpinnings behind the prior arguments on technological catch-up dynamics are wrong, or at least too oversimplified. China isn't playing catchup solely as an external understudy only absorbing knowledge of the cutting edge after it has had time to study solutions already deployed by the lead. In many cases, through nationals working and studying abroad, they are acquiring and developing the same up to date capability, knowledge, and skills concurrently as the lead. While it is true that the most advanced knowledge is path dependent on prior knowledge as a matter of developmental process, it is not always or even typically true that the most advanced knowledge is path dependent on prior knowledge as a matter of its acquisition. That is only the case when one entity is restricted from accessing the knowledge base of another entity, and frankly that is not the case with China. It is not even the case with other countries. More typically, what limits countries that are not as technologically advanced is less a matter of opportunity to access key knowledge and more a problem of shortages in material resources and manpower. The distributional nature of information and knowledge is inherently fluid. The impediments to that fluidity are constructs of physical, social, political, and economic circumstance.
 

longmarch

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You guys think too much about knowledge acquired from the West or people trained in the West. This is too old schooled thinking. In reality, most of these projects are led by domestic talents.

Prof. Ma is completely home made. He didn't pull head by following western steps. Dr. Song and Mr. Yang Wei are also completely home made, they are not even from top universities like Tsinghua or Beijing university. And there are many examples like this.

The contributions from people trained in the West has been overly exaggerated. This is not 1950s anymore when there simply weren't that many domestic talents. In today's China, millions graduate every year and opportunity goes to those who stayed, sometimes during difficult times. Loyalty, trust, those who stayed always beat those who had left.

There are other factors. For example China has pursued asymmetric strategy and leapfrog strategy. When you goal is asymmetric, you have to blow your own path, and China has the will, resources and people to achieve that. When you want to leapfrog, there may not be that much info to borrow from.

Count the different areas where China has made significant progress. It's often the case that these are the areas where the West want to isolate China, yet more progress is made. But in areas where it's open market, there may not be so much progress.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
You guys think too much about knowledge acquired from the West or people trained in the West. This is too old schooled thinking. In reality, most of these projects are led by domestic talents.

Prof. Ma is completely home made. He didn't pull head by following western steps. Dr. Song and Mr. Yang Wei are also completely home made, they are not even from top universities like Tsinghua or Beijing university. And there are many examples like this.

The contributions from people trained in the West has been overly exaggerated. This is not 1950s anymore when there simply weren't that many domestic talents. In today's China, millions graduate every year and opportunity goes to those who stayed, sometimes during difficult times. Loyalty, trust, those who stayed always beat those who had left.

There are other factors. For example China has pursued asymmetric strategy and leapfrog strategy. When you goal is asymmetric, you have to blow your own path, and China has the will, resources and people to achieve that. When you want to leapfrog, there may not be that much info to borrow from.

Count the different areas where China has made significant progress. It's often the case that these are the areas where the West want to isolate China, yet more progress is made. But in areas where it's open market, there may not be so much progress.
They all built their knowledge off some base that China didn't have earlier on. Some of that is definitely personal ingenuity, but even that sits on the shoulder of knowledge from one source or another. No one is self taught and nothing is self discovered in everything, especially if you're progressing this fast.
 

longmarch

Junior Member
Registered Member
Sure people always learn from each other,and that's not a bad thing. But to indicate that China have to have something to follow or copy from in order to make significant progress, those days is over, as far as military tech is concerned.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Another proof that CV18 or Type 002 AC is under construction or soon
An article published by the AVIC group on its journal suggests that the production of J-15 catapultable is underway.
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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Hmmwv posted this article reporting the trial and tribulation of Jiangnan Shipyard crew in Qiqihar

So this article apparently is talking about JNCX's involvement in building China's first prototype maritime nuclear propulsion plant at a 1st Heavy Machinery facility near Qiqihar.

“安全、质量、保密!”清晨7时许,中国东北部边陲响起一声口号,嗓音有些嘶哑却气势十足,在旷野中回荡。
这口号声,来自一群江南人。他们坚定地望着地平线初升的朝阳,被晒得黝黑的脸上挂着些许疲惫,不少人眼中还泛着血丝,喉咙也有些干涩,印有“CSSC JN”的工作服上,残留着污迹汗渍。
近一年来,江南造船(集团)有限责任公司的这支队伍每天早晨都会准时集结于此——他们肩负着某试验项目的建造任务。在艰苦中开拓,在孤独中守望,与环境斗争、与时间赛跑,他们始终坚守职责、无怨无悔。
穿着江南造船的工服,喊着江南造船的口号,这群坚强的战士身处距江南造船数千公里之外的远方。无论在何处,都会发扬江南精神、践行军工使命,一如他们让“安全、质量、保密”这属于江南造船的声音,响彻北国他乡。

荒地之上,成就江南神话
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Another proof that CV18 or Type 002 AC is under construction or soon
An article published by the AVIC group on its journal suggests that the production of J-15 catapultable is underway.
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DHDBT63W0AAV9l2.jpg

Assuming that nose gear (towbar) is real and not photoshopped, then logic would dictate that PLAN's 3rd carrier would be a supercarrier which would fit nicely into our own narrative and estimations thus far of PLAN's carrier ambitions i.e 2 skijumps, 2 CVs and CVNs afterward by mid century.
 
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