CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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According to the model maker the navalized J-20s are just a figment of his imagination. Best not to speculate too much on the subject.
That was sort of my point.
The carrier looks like a slightly altered Ford. The AEW look like E-2Ds, the strike aircraft lkook like navalized J-20s.
None of these things have been planned to my knowledge.
Now, we do know there is a pla for a Chinese CATOBAR carrier...and it will be a very capable vessel I am sure. I hope we see it start building in the next year or so.
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Well China research on naval gas turbine start to bear fruit
They said work in underway to convert R0110 but still long way to go
Liftoff for heavy-duty gas turbines
By Zhong Nan | chinadaily.com.cn | Updated: 2017-02-15 21:08
Breakthrough made for use in aircraft carriers
China has made major breakthroughs in the core design and manufacturing technology of heavy-duty gas turbines that can be installed in aircraft carriers, according to a research institute at Tsinghua University.
Workers prepare for the sailing a newly built bulk ship at a shipyard in Nanjing, Jiangsu province. Provided to china daily
The domestically made CGT-60F, an F-class heavy-duty gas turbine, jointly manufactured by the Gas Turbine Research Center of Tsinghua University and a number of companies including Shanghai Electric Group Co Ltd and Dongfang Electric Corp, has passed high-temperature cooling experiment tests at the Beijing-based China Gas Turbine Research Establishment.
The heavy-duty gas turbine can tolerate temperatures of up to 1,400 C.
Jiang Hongde, one of the project leaders and a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, said the test results, including the cooling effectiveness and temperature distribution, were all better than expected.
All of the components of this high-end gas turbine are made in China. The prototype was made by Shanghai Turbine Co Ltd, with full intellectual property rights.
China currently can only develop heavy-duty gas turbines based on Ukrainian technology, as Western countries, including the United States and France, do not allow their manufacturers to export such products to China due to national security issues.
Aviation Industry Corporation of China has adopted the Ukraine-made R0110 heavy-duty gas turbine with 110 megawatts of heating power. However, this type of gas turbine can only be applied in electric power generation and cannot be used in ships.
Dong Liwan, a shipbuilding professor at Shanghai Maritime University, said that the work to adapt it for naval use still has a long way to go.
He said whether steam or gas turbines are used in China’s first domestically manufactured aircraft carrier will depend on the nation’s development of high-efficiency gas turbines.
Breakthroughs on materials and technologies can build a solid foundation for domestically made heavy-duty gas turbines used in ships.
“We are eager to catch up with established rivals in the field in the US and Europe, so China will encourage crowd innovation, crowdfunding and other innovative business techniques to further support the Made in China 2025 strategy, especially in its mature and fast-growing sectors,” said Sun Fuquan, a researcher specializing in military-related products at the Chinese Academy of Science and Technology for Development.
Sun said China’s fast-growing 4G telecom networks and the Made in China 2025 strategy will lead to further improvements in high-end products, productivity and resource efficiency this year.
Cheng Yu contributed to this story.
Some of Chinese Gas turbine pictures
QC 280 that is widely used in type 52
China 126MW 9E gas turbine
China QC185 gas turbine
R0110 domestic gas turbine
They said work in underway to convert R0110 but still long way to go
Liftoff for heavy-duty gas turbines
By Zhong Nan | chinadaily.com.cn | Updated: 2017-02-15 21:08
Breakthrough made for use in aircraft carriers
China has made major breakthroughs in the core design and manufacturing technology of heavy-duty gas turbines that can be installed in aircraft carriers, according to a research institute at Tsinghua University.
Workers prepare for the sailing a newly built bulk ship at a shipyard in Nanjing, Jiangsu province. Provided to china daily
The domestically made CGT-60F, an F-class heavy-duty gas turbine, jointly manufactured by the Gas Turbine Research Center of Tsinghua University and a number of companies including Shanghai Electric Group Co Ltd and Dongfang Electric Corp, has passed high-temperature cooling experiment tests at the Beijing-based China Gas Turbine Research Establishment.
The heavy-duty gas turbine can tolerate temperatures of up to 1,400 C.
Jiang Hongde, one of the project leaders and a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, said the test results, including the cooling effectiveness and temperature distribution, were all better than expected.
All of the components of this high-end gas turbine are made in China. The prototype was made by Shanghai Turbine Co Ltd, with full intellectual property rights.
China currently can only develop heavy-duty gas turbines based on Ukrainian technology, as Western countries, including the United States and France, do not allow their manufacturers to export such products to China due to national security issues.
Aviation Industry Corporation of China has adopted the Ukraine-made R0110 heavy-duty gas turbine with 110 megawatts of heating power. However, this type of gas turbine can only be applied in electric power generation and cannot be used in ships.
Dong Liwan, a shipbuilding professor at Shanghai Maritime University, said that the work to adapt it for naval use still has a long way to go.
He said whether steam or gas turbines are used in China’s first domestically manufactured aircraft carrier will depend on the nation’s development of high-efficiency gas turbines.
Breakthroughs on materials and technologies can build a solid foundation for domestically made heavy-duty gas turbines used in ships.
“We are eager to catch up with established rivals in the field in the US and Europe, so China will encourage crowd innovation, crowdfunding and other innovative business techniques to further support the Made in China 2025 strategy, especially in its mature and fast-growing sectors,” said Sun Fuquan, a researcher specializing in military-related products at the Chinese Academy of Science and Technology for Development.
Sun said China’s fast-growing 4G telecom networks and the Made in China 2025 strategy will lead to further improvements in high-end products, productivity and resource efficiency this year.
Cheng Yu contributed to this story.
Some of Chinese Gas turbine pictures
QC 280 that is widely used in type 52
China 126MW 9E gas turbine
China QC185 gas turbine
R0110 domestic gas turbine
I have commented on this somewhere else on blocking of advanced tech to China can backfire and has already happened in some technologies. By blocking those technologies, China is forced to develop them indigenously. It would have taken longer and costs more but the end effect is that they will build something better and cheaper. This will also in turn reduce the value of the original IP (e.g. in France and US) as China starts selling these same technologies outside China. All this of course comes because they have portrayed China as the enemy.
They also assumed that China would not have the capability to develop those technologies.
No, they just assume it could consume more of China's resources and take longer to develop it.
More importantly, they assumed by making the Chinese take longer to achieve what has already been achieved abroad, it gives developer outside china more time to pull further ahead even while china is still catching up.
So what they assumed is not that china can't develop these technologies indigenously. What they assumed is china can't really catch up and will remain a few steps behind for a long time if china is forced to slow down and reinvent the wheel as much as possible.
I think there is a subconscious assumption on the part of many Chinese observers, which is the west somehow obtained an unfair technological superiority over china through underhanded means, and the west is pretty much sitting on its laurels now, and now that china has gotten its act together, it is simply a matter of catching up and china will once again dominate the world.
In reality the edge that allowed the west to gain the technological superiority in the past is not dulled, even while china gets its act together and advances its technology as fast as the west had been able to, the west, starting from a position considerably further ahead, can still maintain a lead for a very long time by maintaining its own pace of technological advancement.
In reality the edge that allowed the west to gain the technological superiority in the past is not dulled, even while china gets its act together and advances its technology as fast as the west had been able to, the west, starting from a position considerably further ahead, can still maintain a lead for a very long time by maintaining its own pace of technological advancement.
A "very long time" is a very subjective statement, and IMO even taken in a general sense is probably not going to hold up for many if not most industries. China has been repeatedly surprising the West in the last few decades with its pace of modernization, but the West seems to repeatedly fail to heed the signs of the times.