CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[SlothmanAllen]

Was just looking at the photos of the ship from its first launch. What a great looking ship!

 

[vincent]

I didn't say it right! I just wanted to say that the Kuznetsov-based design has reached its limits.

How do you know Fujian design is based on Kuznetsov?

 

[gelgoog]

All the carriers share the same powerplant. But that seems to be it really.

 

[Rag Shiba]

How do you know Fujian design is based on Kuznetsov?

I think it’s a fair conclusion, given there’s no evidence to suggest otherwise. The island and the stern are just evolved from the Kuz.

 

[Blitzo]

How do you know Fujian design is based on Kuznetsov?

"Based on" is too strong a term I think.
"Derived from" is a bit more reasonable and even that is more applicable to being derived from Shandong, which itself is more based on Liaoning/Kuznetsov.

 

[vincent]

I think it’s a fair conclusion, given there’s no evidence to suggest otherwise. The island and the stern are just evolved from the Kuz.

Fujian is 20k ton heavier, with new electrical systems and wirings for three cats and a much smaller island. It likely has more powerful electric generators and bigger steam turbines. The internals are likely to have changed a lot from Liaoning and Shandong. Like Blitzo said, "derived" is more appropriate. Calling it a Kuznetsov dead-end is also not right.

 

[Rag Shiba]

Fujian is 20k ton heavier, with new electrical systems and wirings for three cats and a much smaller island. It likely has more powerful electric generators and bigger steam turbines. The internals are likely to have changed a lot from Liaoning and Shandong. Like Blitzo said, "derived" is more appropriate. Calling it a Kuznetsov dead-end is also not right.

We are on the same page. The word “based on” has a pretty lose meaning depending on who you ask.

 

[bd popeye]

@popeye you ever heard anyone call carriers catobar?

Never in my 20 years serving with the US Navy did I EVER hear the term CATOBAR. I first saw that term in this forum nearly 20 years ago..

 

[broadsword]

Never in my 20 years serving with the US Navy did I EVER hear the term CATOBAR. I first saw that term in this forum nearly 20 years ago..

It's in wiki

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[Lethe]

After reading the Twitter threads on foolsball and sugar_wsnbn, I was thinking that it doesn't make sense for the PLA to build any more Kuznetsov-based CATOBARs that have reached the limits of structural development. I don't know when, but the next carrier has to be a CVN!

What makes CV-18 a "Kuznetsov-based" carrier? The powerplant? In that case Burke III is a "Spruance-based" design from 1970.

Never in my 20 years serving with the US Navy did I EVER hear the term CATOBAR. I first saw that term in this forum nearly 20 years ago..

I believe the term comes from the project definition/analysis of alternatives stage for the UK's CVF program, late-1990s to early-2000s.

Of course it doesn't actually matter where the term comes from, only that it is useful in particular contexts.