CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[Jeff Head]

There's never a formal fleet building plan we ever heard about.

They have a plan...you can be sure of that.

...and we hear, from time to time, mention of certain numbers.

Like all Chinese military watching, it depends on what you hear from whom and how often...and then developing who is credible or not.

I expect a maximum of 42 Type 052Ds and Type 055 together...and that would be a HUGE number for the Chinese...one that will have the entire WESTPAC nations building in return.

In fact...they already are.

Korea, Japan, Australia, and India (and more) are all embarked on rather large (for each country) Naval modernization and buildup programs.

 

[Jeff Head]

Well, time is kind of the issue isn't it?

Between now and the mid to late 2020s I definitely don't think they'll build 100. But by the late 2030s, early 2040s? Well that's far enough into the future where it's hard to predict, but with the kind of trajectory that we are seeing out of China economically, technologically and geopolitically it would be rather foolish to rule out something like a large number of high end surface combatants like what you described.

I am not ruling out what I consider to be a large number.

I just do not believe there will be 100 of them...the new very modern type. They will reach their target at some point and then we will see them level off.

The US is now edging up from a total of 85 or so to around 100.

China is edging up at a faster rate.

I believe the total with Type 052C, Type 052D, and Type 055 is going to approach 50.

But they then have all of those Type 054A/B too.

But then of course the US is putting out 2-3 LCS (which are being up-armed and are themselves really going to be FFGs) per year too and will end up building around fifty of those too.

Anyhow...this all goes back to the initial statement that the one poster made that indicated that by 2030 (I believe) China would be the most powerful in the world.

I was initially simply responding to that post and indicating that I simply do not see that happening in terms of pure numbers or technology.

 

[latenlazy]

They have a plan...you can be sure of that.

...and we hear, from time to time, mention of certain numbers.

Like all Chinese military watching, it depends on what you hear from whom and how often...and then developing who is credible or not.

I expect a maximum of 42 Type 052Ds and Type 055 together...and that would be a HUGE number for the Chinese...one that will have the entire WESTPAC nations building in return.

In fact...they already are.

Korea, Japan, Australia, and India (and more) are all embarked on rather large (for each country) Naval modernization and buildup programs.

I'm sure they have a plan. I'm just saying we never actually hear of it. What we get are production schedules. That doesn't tell us intended fleet sizes.

 

[delft]

It is clear that China will never be a World Hegemon as US has been since 1945. It is also clear that when US hegemony is broken over a large part of the World that hegemony is at its end and the advantages US has of being the Hegemon are lost. The purpose of China is to reach that situation without a major war and to reduce the fighting of wars in general because that has major advantages to China and to most of the World.

 

[Ali Qizilbash]

Again, are we still in the PLAN CV thread?

@Iron Man out of 40 posts your single vaguely mentioning 6 carriers doesn't count

 

[Iron Man]

Again, are we still in the PLAN CV thread?

@Iron Man out of 40 posts your single vaguely mentioning 6 carriers doesn't count

You need to expand on your statement because it doesn't make any kind of sense as it stands.

 

[Jeff Head]

Yes...we are in the CV Type 002 thread.

But as is normal, we have periods that pass where we see, and even hear...very little.

I am really looking forward to the day when we start to get those furst pictures of the hull of 002 building...and then spending a few months analyzing it until we become sure that it is the carrier...and then watch her build as we did with Liaoning (only we always new Liaoning was a carrier, we were just waiting to ensure it was going to be operational), and then how we just did with CV-17.

Within a few months we will be reaching that initial stage with 002...and it is something to look forward to.

Sort of where we are at now with the Type 055 DDGs.

 

[A.Man]

No Clue About This Set Of Photos

 

[Deino]

No Clue About This Set Of Photos

Not sure if in any way related to the Type 002, more to the 001A, but this part is interesting ?!!

Does not look like a civilian ship's bridge?



PS:
That strange red part is part of the original superstructure of former Varyag that was removed in 2010 or 2011 and replaced with one now housed the main radar panel of Liaoning.

It is rumoured that the shipyard has turned it into a warehouse or store.

 

[Blackstone]

Not sure if in any way related to the Type 002, more to the 001A, but this part is interesting ?!!

Does not look like a civilian ship's bridge?

View attachment 38659

PS:
That strange red part is part of the original superstructure of former Varyag that was removed in 2010 or 2011 and replaced with one now housed the main radar panel of Liaoning.

It is rumoured that the shipyard has turned it into a warehouse or store.

SDF readers know Varyag's dimensions, but sitting next to the three-story building makes me appreciate the true scale of aircraft carriers (kind of like the feeling you get standing next to a large horse). And it's just one part of the island structure.