CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

[Jeff Head]

I'm thinking they want to completely finish building her exteriors etc before the lunar new year.. once everyone comes back happy from the holidays they can resume doing the finishing touches.. weapons installation, more sensors, interior finishes etc (which can be time consuming) and then shakedown cruise couple, three months later.
My guess is late Spring maybe early Summer when she gets her feet wet.

I'm thinking almost identical to CV 16 ... 1030 r2d2 and FL3000N but just pure speculation on my part.

Agreed on both counts!

 

[bruceb1959]

....or, perhaps:

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I'm gonna be really picky here Jeff - and will probably get a slapping - your epresentation looks excellent but for the fact that that the bridge windows should be canted in the opposite direction - ie lower edges should be inboard of the upper to my mind.. as I have very crudely tried to indicate here... albeit lazily without individual windows...

 

[bruceb1959]

The best way to understand what the Soviet (and then Russian) role for the Kuznetsov can be found by their own designation of its class.

It is not a fleet carrier, or a true carrier at all as we in the west view it. No, they called it a:

" tyazholiy avianesushchiy kreyser (TAKR or TAVKR) "

This stands for a "Heavy aircraft carrying cruiser."

It was never intended to "project power the way a US or western carrier like the CDG does. it was never meant to. Its roll was to support and defend strategic missile-carrying submarines, large missile carrying surface ships of the Soviet/Russian Navy, and to defend bastions where larger number f Soviet/Russian maritime missile-carrying aircraft could rendezvous far out to sea and then be dispatched on their missions.

A completely different mind set to how to use such a vessel.

The Chinese got one of these hulls on the cheap and refit it...but they have quickly established a strike aircraft (the J-15) which, although it looks like the Russian SU-33, it is quite a bit different in the various avionics, functions, and armament it can carry as a multi-role aircraft that and can perform either fleet defense or strike at sea missions, instead of the predominant role of the SU-33 which was Fleet Defense.


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The Soviet ship designation was also in part to side step the restrictions on aircraft carriers transiting the Bosphorus I believe.

 

[kwaigonegin]

The Soviet ship designation was also in part to side step the restrictions on aircraft carriers transiting the Bosphorus I believe.

Very acute observation Bruce however I'm not sure if it applies to Russian ships though. I think the Montreux agreement applies only to ships not exceeding 45K that do not originate from a contiguous state to the Bosphorous.

But it doesn't matter ... CVN 77 passed though it couple years ago LOL

 

[Jeff Head]

I'm gonna be really picky here Jeff - and will probably get a slapping - your epresentation looks excellent but for the fact that that the bridge windows should be canted in the opposite direction - ie lower edges should be inboard of the upper to my mind.. as I have very crudely tried to indicate here... albeit lazily without individual windows...View attachment 32844

the canting no duobt could be better...but it was a rush PS job.

Anyhow, over the next few weeks they wll show us how it is going to look.

 

[Jeff Head]

The Soviet ship designation was also in part to side step the restrictions on aircraft carriers transiting the Bosphorus I believe.

As Kwaig indicated, I am not sure that Russia, since it boderers the Black Se internally there on the north, had the restriction.

 

[FORBIN]

The Soviet ship designation was also in part to side step the restrictions on aircraft carriers transiting the Bosphorus I believe.

Exactly ! Montreux Convention, definitely again more important than military designation.
In fact more a problem for Kiev Class than Kuznetsov, more " ocean going ".

 

[EdT586]

The tower on the land mock-up is probably closer to what it will really look like !

 

[FORBIN]

So in fact for look the true look the mock-up

 

[Intrepid]

The tower on the land mock-up is probably closer to what it will really look like!

The island on the mock-up has a Pri-Fly forward above the captains bridge. That is not the layout of type 001A with Pri-Fly on the aft end of the island. I guess, it is the layout of the next carrier type 002.