CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

[SinoSoldier]

I think it is.

More like 4-6 months is my guess.

They have a LOT of work to do within the island alone.

They have the elevators to lift and integrate.

They have a lot of work on the sponsons for the armament and defensive systems.

And internally, it is likely that there is a lot of wiring still to be done.

Anyhow, time will tell...but IMHO, two months (meaning before the end of the year) is simply too aggressive.

Like I said, April or May 2017 would be more likely to me (and that is a phenomenal rate in and of itself, it's not like it is any slight to the Chinese). To take their first indigenous carrier and go from keel laying to launch in 30 onths or just less is pretty phenomenal...which is what April-May would be).

I may well be proven wrong, and if so, all the better for the PLAN.

All fair points... the most accurate way to assess this would be to extrapolate the time that it took for CV-16 to get fully fitted out, but we don't know when the refitting process officially began on the CV-16.

 

[Intrepid]

If they are on schedule and if it is true, that they told us already end of year as date, than it will be end of year. May be end of Chinese year.

 

[Jeff Head]

Even the kutz class's mission profile was very different than USN carriers. It was still heavy on armaments and was still envisioned to play more of a support combatant role than a true .

The best way to understand what the Soviet (and then Russian) role for the Kuznetsov can be found by their own designation of its class.

It is not a fleet carrier, or a true carrier at all as we in the west view it. No, they called it a:

" tyazholiy avianesushchiy kreyser (TAKR or TAVKR) "

This stands for a "Heavy aircraft carrying cruiser."

It was never intended to "project power the way a US or western carrier like the CDG does. it was never meant to. Its roll was to support and defend strategic missile-carrying submarines, large missile carrying surface ships of the Soviet/Russian Navy, and to defend bastions where larger number f Soviet/Russian maritime missile-carrying aircraft could rendezvous far out to sea and then be dispatched on their missions.

A completely different mind set to how to use such a vessel.

The Chinese got one of these hulls on the cheap and refit it...but they have quickly established a strike aircraft (the J-15) which, although it looks like the Russian SU-33, it is quite a bit different in the various avionics, functions, and armament it can carry as a multi-role aircraft that and can perform either fleet defense or strike at sea missions, instead of the predominant role of the SU-33 which was Fleet Defense.


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[FORBIN]

The best way to understand what the Soviet (and then Russian) role for the Kuznetsov can be found by their own designation of its class.

It is not a fleet carrier, or a true carrier at all as we in the west view it. No, they called it a:

" tyazholiy avianesushchiy kreyser (TAKR or TAVKR) "

This stands for a "Heavy aircraft carrying cruiser."

It was never intended to "project power" the way a US or western carrier like the CDG does. It was never meant to.

Its role was to support and defend strategic missile-carrying submarines, large missile carrying surface ships of the Soviet/Russian Navy, and to defend bastions where larger number f Soviet/Russian maritime missile-carrying aircraft could rendezvous far out to sea and then be dispatched on their missions.

A completely different mind set to how to use such a vessel.

The Chinese got one of these hulls on the cheap and refit it...but they have quickly established a strike aircraft (the J-15) which, although it looks like the Russian SU-33, it is quite a bit different in the various avionics, functions, and armament it can carry as a multi-role aircraft that and can perform either fleet defense or strike at sea missions, instead of the predominant role of the SU-33 which was Fleet Defense.


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Exactly Da, yes Sir !

 

[Jeff Head]

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Take a look, the photos give a good pictorial history of the building from keel laying to current condition.

 

[Engineer]

PLAN is slowly but surely moving from old Soviet style doctrines to the US and this carrier is a hybrid if you will of the two mind sets coming together.

Right from the beginning, PLAN has applied US doctrines to carriers. PLAN never bothered with Soviet doctrines.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Right from the beginning, PLAN has applied US doctrines to carriers. PLAN never bothered with Soviet doctrines.

You're right .. I meant to say they had US doctrines but got stuck with a ship that wasn't designed specifically for those needs I.e Liaoning. Right from the start they had adopted the US naval power operational and doctrinal methods down to the vest colors of the crews.

 

[Jeff Head]

Well, we know the basic footprint of the island now.



I hope sometime during the 2 or 3 builders trials, for PR purposes, that the PLAN gets both carriers running together next year.

 

[Deino]

And now the next part ... the hull for the radar array.

 

[Iron Man]

And now the next part ... the hull for the radar array.

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I wonder if these arrays will have the usual windshield washer poles at the bottom of each array. I think to this day nobody knows what they actually do.....