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Air Force Brat

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The Chinese are still in the developing phase. When they have a nuclear CATOBAR carrier type and several different aircraft types for catapulted take off, they will build carrier after carrier and train their pilots on two or three training carriers.

Same as with other ship types: twenty years planning and developing and than ship after ship, look at the LHD-production.

But there is no usable carrier type at the moment, only prototypes with an intermediate status like STOBAR or soon conventionally powert CATOBAR.

The next CATOBAR carrier will be fully operational, whether conventional or nuclear powered, it will be the "bomb"!
 

Air Force Brat

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Isn't not more expedient for them to just build new J-15S are modified for catapult launch ? There is no reason why these fighters can't operate of the existing carriers albeit with lesser payloads.
And it will be prudent to have more pilots that are at least familiar with carrier take offs and landing in order to smooth out the transition to CATOBAR carriers. I don't see how experiences learnt on the Type 001A and the Liaoning are inapplicable to CATOBAR carriers beyond the catapult/ski jump difference.

Exactly, though I doubt they operate the J-15S off those ski ramps, but we shall see? but you are exactly right, those STOBAR carriers are invaluable preparing the Naval Aviators, and its good for you to operate something you have to work at, bringing those bird's off those boats will teach you to be alert and hold your breath until you have some good numbers on that dial. It will give you a feel for the airplane at the very minimum of controllability, good for you, and will make you a better pilot in the long run.
 

Air Force Brat

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True, that is one thing that we can agree upon. That sometimes what the PLAN defies logic and convention, but they I am sure they got it all figured out................... which apparently is the go to response nowadays for many inexplicable issues.

Oh, they are very logical in their approach, but they are also very methodical, they are not in a hurry, cause they have lots of time, they know the USN is not going to be a threat without a real provocation on their part. We are very predictable, and logical as well...
 

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You all are predictable and logical Except Mr. Trump :)

True, Mr. Trump has been involved in international business a long time. When he talks about China's restrictive business practices, (his words, not mine)? he's talking from personal experience. When he talks about "border security"he's serious, when he talks about putting "America First" it strikes a cord with a lot of people.

Mr. Trump is one of the few people in America who has acknowledged China's legal right to keep order in the face of violence in the streets of Hong Kong? his opinion again, not necessarily mine....

He's actually very upfront, to the point of being blunt, but you know what he's thinking.

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So China can afford to be circumspect and take their time to get their carrier program were they want it to be, as there is no imminent threat.
 
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Ali Qizilbash

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True, Mr. Trump has been involved in international business a long time. When he talks about China's restrictive business practices, (his words, not mine)? he's talking from personal experience. When he talks about "border security"he's serious, when he talks about putting "America First" it strikes a cord with a lot of people.

Mr. Trump is one of the few people in America who has acknowledged China's legal right to keep order in the face of violence in the streets of Hong Kong? his opinion again, not necessarily mine....

He's actually very upfront, to the point of being blunt, but you know what he's thinking.

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So China can afford to be circumspect and take their time to get their carrier program were they want it to be, as there is no imminent threat.

I was just chilling. You took it too serious ;)
 

Hendrik_2000

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She is out sea again after brief interlude of emergency return. China has produced 50 J15 according to SCMP but no photos sofar confirming the serial no
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AIRCRAFT CARRIER
AUGUST 7, 2019
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China's first domestically built aircraft carrier, the Type 001A, is shown at Dalian Port in Liaoning province. Photo: AFP
China’s homemade carrier at sea again, but may miss National Day bash
Carrier may have an emergency return as sea trial cut short by something more than ‘teething issues’

ByKG CHAN

All eyes will be on whether the Type 001A, China’s first aircraft carrier built with indigenous effort, can accomplish the home stretch of her year-long series of trial sails towards official commission.

Senior party cadres hope that the 70,000-ton seagoing airbase can splash down in China’s littoral waters to stoke a frenzy of patriotism and pride ahead of Beijing’s pomp and circumstance to mark the 70th anniversary of the Communist republic.

There are signs that problems could be graver than mere teething issues, and the vessel may miss the big bash day on October 1. But a formal entry into service by the end of the year is still within sight.

The carrier, sporting the same ski-jump ramp on her bow as the one on her sister ship the Liaoning, is now at sea again, straight after a four-day sail last week from homeport, Dalian, in waters cordoned off in the Yellow Sea close to the port.

Hong Kong-based Phoenix Television, a pro-Beijing media outlet, reported that the two sea trials – or the resumption of one sail interrupted by an emergency return – could be indication that technical issues cropped up offshore requiring immediate repairs.

Propulsion or communication failures could be the cause, as other glitches may not need immediate attention.


It is also reported that the spick and span ship is yet to satisfy all initial operational capability requirements, although it has passed muster as an operational warship.

When the carrier set sail and returned to its home port, a few fighter jets including a J-15, as well as a Z-20 helicopter,were spotted sitting on its flight deck, likely for take-off-and-landing training during the sea trials.

The South China Morning Post also cited a source as saying that the People’s Liberation Army had taken delivery of more than 50 J-15 jets and groomed dozens of carrier-based pilots. It said the elite squad would be deployed on both the Liaoning and the Type 001A.
 
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