CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

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82 jours après sa dernière sortie et après une série de travaux d'agencement, le 2e porte-avions chinois reprend la mer ce midi pour la 6e fois depuis Mai 2018. Il n'est pas exclu qu'il aille rejoindre le porte-avions Liaoning qui serait en exercice en baie de Bohai actuellement.
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82 days after his last outing and after a series of layout works, the 2nd Chinese aircraft carrier resumes the sea this afternoon for the 6th time since May 2018. It is not excluded that he will join the aircraft carrier Liaoning that would be in exercise in Bohai Bay now.

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[asif iqbal]

They still have 7 or 8 prototype that they still using it In fact now they sport operational grey paint instead the yellow primer More than enough I bet the one that they lost should be replaced by now
J 16 is priority since it is the primer attack aircraft for both PLAAF and PLAN and we see large number of them have been produced

Yes and I understand that but if CV-16 is training pilots then those pilots need to maintain their skills on a combat platform

You cannot train 50 pilots and that’s it, after 6 months you will have to start all over the again

Qualified pilots need to maintain their skill set and this should be done on CV-17

It’s like a athlete who qualifies, he needs to maintain his stamina otherwise very quickly he will be down and out

Carrier pilots being qualified and then rotated to land based naval stations is not enough to maintain the skill set, its a continuous process that need to be maintained 24/7

 

[gelgoog]

Yes and I understand that but if CV-16 is training pilots then those pilots need to maintain their skills on a combat platform

You cannot train 50 pilots and that’s it, after 6 months you will have to start all over the again

Qualified pilots need to maintain their skill set and this should be done on CV-17

It’s like a athlete who qualifies, he needs to maintain his stamina otherwise very quickly he will be down and out

Carrier pilots being qualified and then rotated to land based naval stations is not enough to maintain the skill set, its a continuous process that need to be maintained 24/7

The thing is, from my perspective, once they switch to the CATOBAR carriers how well would the skillset they learn on the STOBAR carriers translate to that?
I suspect that other than for landings not that well.

What I mean is, perhaps it isn't worthwhile to train too many pilots on STOBAR.

Plus it is highly likely they will use a different aircraft for those carriers.

 

[asif iqbal]

The thing is, from my perspective, once they switch to the CATOBAR carriers how well would the skillset they learn on the STOBAR carriers translate to that?
I suspect that other than for landings not that well.

What I mean is, perhaps it isn't worthwhile to train too many pilots on STOBAR.

Plus it is highly likely they will use a different aircraft for those carriers.

STOBAR and CATOBAR two totally different carriers

Yes it could be a reason but not sufficient to warrant no more J15

 

[Intrepid]

STOBAR and CATOBAR two totally different carriers

Air traffic control and deck handling have similarities.

 

[Marjohn]

Air traffic control and deck handling have similarities.

Most of the pilot training required for their qualification is focused on landing and not on take-off. To my knowledge, except perhaps for the approach speed, there is no landing difference between CATOBAR and STOBAR CV.

 

[Brumby]

Yes and I understand that but if CV-16 is training pilots then those pilots need to maintain their skills on a combat platform

You cannot train 50 pilots and that’s it, after 6 months you will have to start all over the again

Qualified pilots need to maintain their skill set and this should be done on CV-17

It’s like a athlete who qualifies, he needs to maintain his stamina otherwise very quickly he will be down and out

Carrier pilots being qualified and then rotated to land based naval stations is not enough to maintain the skill set, its a continuous process that need to be maintained 24/7

In my view there seems to be an inordinate attempt to avoid the notion that the J-15 may possibly have some issues with stability when landing. The activities associated with the J-15 at sea has trickle to a minimum and there are no new production of the J-15 that we know of. When you consider that at any one time typically only 65 % of its inventory is likely operational that leaves bare bone to service training for its pool of pilots. There is no naval training aircraft to fall back on.

The options are actually very limited Any navalised J-31 is years away and whether it is even viable is yet to be determined. In the interim, it is likely that China is working on the stability issue with the J-15 and once that is resolved we will see new batches and carrier aviation activities resume. You just have to be patient. Some things take time.

 

[bd popeye]

In my view there seems to be an inordinate attempt to avoid the notion that the J-15 may possibly have some issues with stability when landing.

Really? I was unaware of this issue. If true the root cause could be that the Chinese do not have a smaller training jet for carrier pilot training like a MiG-29. I stated this years ago. The J-15 is a big aircraft for carrier duty. That instantly makes it harder to handle in all aspects of Naval Aviation.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

In my view there seems to be an inordinate attempt to avoid the notion that the J-15 may possibly have some issues with stability when landing. The activities associated with the J-15 at sea has trickle to a minimum and there are no new production of the J-15 that we know of. When you consider that at any one time typically only 65 % of its inventory is likely operational that leaves bare bone to service training for its pool of pilots. There is no naval training aircraft to fall back on.

The options are actually very limited Any navalised J-31 is years away and whether it is even viable is yet to be determined. In the interim, it is likely that China is working on the stability issue with the J-15 and once that is resolved we will see new batches and carrier aviation activities resume. You just have to be patient. Some things take time.

You are reading too much of western propaganda. There is no issue with J 15 It has been operating for 7 years now 2 serious incident one fatal and one not so fatal , one bird strike
That is good record considering China never had any carrier before and no one teach her or provide ready made carrier They have to do it themselves down to bolt and nut NO country has learn the carrier operation as fast as China

They do train hard on the land And on average Liaoning was at sea 6 months of the years that is a good record
From zip China now has 40 to 50 carrier qualified pilot
Sailing aircraft carrier is expensive operation with thousand of sailor and airmen Unless you have planned you just don't sail anytime you want

How many accident that US carrier pilot experience over the years?

 

[H2O]

Are we sure that there is a shortage of J-15? IMO, the lack of photographic evidence may be for political reasons than technical.