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asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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Even the satellite picked them up on same day

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asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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At the height of the Soviet navy flat deck shipbuilding we had the following planned or in build

2 x Moskva (15,000 tons)
4 x Kiev (45,000 tons)
2 x Admiral Kuznetsov (65,000 tons)
1 x Ulyanovsk (80,000 tons)

That’s 9 units over 400,000 tons

2018 China has

6 x LPD
2 x STOBAR

210,000 tons

China needs to build 4 x LHD and 002 to match height of Soviet Navy
 
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asif iqbal said:
At the height of the Soviet navy flat deck shipbuilding we had the following planned or in build

2 x Moskva (15,000 tons)
4 x Kiev (45,000 tons)
2 x Admiral Kuznetsov (65,000 tons)
1 x Ulyanovsk (80,000 tons)

That’s 9 units over 400,000 tons

2018 China has

6 x LPD
2 x STOBAR

210,000 tons

China needs to build 4 x LHD and 002 to match height of Soviet Navy
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Note the word "planned" here, in which case reality dictates that the Soviets and Russia in the end acquired a much watered down fleet due to finance and geopolitical concerns. Ticking off the Ulyanovsk and one of the Kuznetsov and they are down to just 260,000ish tons.
And this may be a very overused theme here, but why must China's military buildup be designed to match any other nation's ? Each nation has their own priorities and China is no exception.
 
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Intrepid

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asif iqbal said:
At the height of the Soviet navy flat deck shipbuilding we had the following planned or in build ...
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We saw at the only capable slipway No. 0 at Nikolayev: from
  • DEC 1962 to JAN 1965 "Moskva",
  • JAN 1965 to JUL 1968 "Leningrad",
  • for a very short time a third helicopter carrier but broken up, then a space control-monitoring ship in between, from
  • SEP 1970 to DEC 1972 "Kiev",
  • DEC 1972 to MAY 1975 "Minsk",
  • OCT 1975 to DEC 1978 "Novorossiysk",
  • DEC 1978 to MAR 1982 "Gorshkov",
  • JAN 1983 to DEC 1985 "Kuznetsov",
  • DEC 1985 to DEC 1988 "Varyag" (launched and fitted out until 68% complete) and
  • DEC 1988 to OCT 1992 (cancelled JAN 1991 at 20% complete and scrapped since FEB 1992).
That is the thirty-year-history of building Sowjet flattops in the Ukraine.

But this is off-topic, Chinese flattops is an other game.
 
Hendrik_2000

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Intrepid said:
We saw at the only capable slipway No. 0 at Nikolayev: from
  • DEC 1962 to JAN 1965 "Moskva",
  • JAN 1965 to JUL 1968 "Leningrad",
  • for a very short time a third helicopter carrier but broken up, then a space control-monitoring ship in between, from
  • SEP 1970 to DEC 1972 "Kiev",
  • DEC 1972 to MAY 1975 "Minsk",
  • OCT 1975 to DEC 1978 "Novorossiysk",
  • DEC 1978 to MAR 1982 "Gorshkov",
  • JAN 1983 to DEC 1985 "Kuznetsov",
  • DEC 1985 to DEC 1988 "Varyag" (launched and fitted out until 68% complete) and
  • DEC 1988 to OCT 1992 (cancelled JAN 1991 at 20% complete and scrapped since FEB 1992).
That is the thirty-year-history of building Sowjet flattops in the Ukraine.

But this is off-topic, Chinese flattops is an other game.
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Excellent. Thanks that is 23 year from Moskva to Varyag, China has saved herself 23 years development time and tons of money, That is why I said manna from heaven when she get hold of Varyag.
Even then it take china another decade to learn the intricacies of Carrier building
And another 6 years to learn how to properly operate CBG.
So if China were ti build it independetly it will take her close to 4 decades along time
Yet Kutz class is not the top of the line merely just trial run for CV18
 
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