CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

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PiSigma

PiSigma

"the engineer"
vesicles said:
You sound like you are teaching a lesson to a naive 10-year kid... I hope you don't actually think of me as a simpleton as you imply in your lecture...

I don't understand why you are arguing with me on this... I believe we are talking about the same thing. And we all agree that geopolitical strategies are made to extend a nation's own interests.



This is exactly what I meant. That's why I said:



This is also why I said:



I like to stress that I used "right" as a "simple minded response" to a simple minded question. I consider the question unworthy of spending time to come up with sophisticated answers. hence I said:



I believe this is what you were referring to as well. We have no disagreement.

Again, I don't consider "having the right to doing something" is an answer to anything, as I have stressed numerous times in past posts. I decided to invoke the "right" because I thought the question of "why China needs to develop its own military" was so naive that it didn't deserve our effort to come up with a sophisticated answer, similar to the follow example:

I am walking in a park. A police comes to me and asks: "what are you doing here?" My answer: "this is a public place and I have the right to be here." Of course, you should know that I don't simply go to the park because I have the "right" to go. I go there because I am burned out and need a little break. Plus, I need a little exercise to maintain health. But I don't want to waste my time explaining all my reasons to someone who just asked a stupid question. Hence, invoking the "right".
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He was replying to Holt allen
 
vesicles

vesicles

Colonel
kwaigonegin said:
.... because China is a sovereign country with a huge yet to be realized potential and China's economic rise while no doubt was attributed in large by a relatively peaceful western pacific due to US hegemon and power, makes no guarantee of future results. We could have a mad man running the country tomorrow (let's hope not) and change the rules entirely.

Also it's a symbiotic relationship especially when it comes to economy. The US has benefited tremendously as well from this relationship. Let's not pretend that we did this out of the goodness of our hearts and I say this a loyal American. To think otherwise is naively gullible.

While I personally like the US Navy to be the SOLE power in the entire world, and be the ONLY policeman on the block ..lol ... I also realize that is not necessarily a good thing not realistic. As the saying goes.. absolute power corrupts absolutely. At the end of the day the US protects US interest and US interest only as we should. Not Chinese interest, not Japan interest etc.

China cannot bank on the fact that both our country's interest will always align 100% of the time all of the time and they shouldn't.
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Exactly!
 
FriedRiceNSpice

FriedRiceNSpice

Captain
Geographic isolation is both an advantage and disadvantage for a superpower. The advantages have been mentioned above, but the disadvantage are that building and maintaining global power projection and warfighting capabilities is much more difficult and expensive than regional capabilities. It is much cheaper for an Asian power to build up capabilities in Asia than it is for the US. The US also is more reliant on maritime trade (can't use something such as OBOR as alternative) and have much more sea lanes, to patrol and defend. Her naval forces also need to be able to fight in both the Atlantic and the Pacific.
 
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delft

Brigadier
Richard Santos said:
England and Holland first fought three wars, and Holland and England both feared Louis XIV's France, which at that time surpassed the combined war waging potential of Britain and Holland. Holland in particular being vulnerable to a land attack from France which it could not possibly fend off by itself.
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In the third of those wars England fought on the side of France, Louis having bribed Charles II as well as the bishops of Cologne and Munster. In that war (
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) France and the bishops occupied most of the Netherlands but were not able to conquer Holland and Zeeland because of an extremely shallow water barrier - too shallow to use boats, too deep to be able to avoid getting into ditches when walking through. In the decisive naval battle (
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) the Dutch defeated the combined English and French fleets in August 1673. That battle was commemorated in 1973 by a symposium on the Third English-Dutch War at the Royal Naval Institute in Den Helder in which I took part.
 
Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
The latest pic from Henri K. there are a lot more activity, mobile crane and equipment or sensor on the deck

Is the APAR installation still underway on the 2nd Chinese carrier?

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