I objected to cruising speed which I expect to be around 20kts, by using half the boilers
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I've been curious for a while as to how China benefits from building aircraft carriers. If you look at the economic growth China has sustained over the past 30 or so years, the majority has been done under the security provided by the United States Navy. Given that the United States has been so granting to Chinese economic growth over this time period, why has China rushed to establish themselves as the military power in the Pacific. It seems to me that it would have been easier to let the US maintain that position, while reaping all the economic benefits that stable shipping lanes entailed.
Equation
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Because the regime of changer of peace simply can not be trusted to guard China's SCS sovereignties and interests. This a flaw narrative emphasizing that ONLY the US can and should be the only player that can keep the peace in the Pacific all because there was no challenger for decades in the first place till now. Like I said many time, the world is changing, so get used to it.
vesicles
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To answer your question, I will tell you what my fellow Texans say when people want to take their guns away.
Gun control nut: "you shouldn't have your own weapons because we have state troopers to protect us."
A Texan: "Come and get it" (while holding the gun in his hand).
It's never a bad idea that you can protect yourself.
China couldn't protect itself 30 years ago. And now it can. Simple as that.
manqiangrexue
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Because (some) people aren't like dogs; people have pride. Dogs are happy being fattened and kept warm by a master even if it means bowing to him. People dream of being champions, even if it means giving up a comfortable life to suffer, sweat, and bleed for it. A luxurious life without pride is only material and will leave the soul feeling empty. Only pride can make people whole.
If I were asked to choose between being a Russian or being a Luxumbourger (yes, I had to check for the correct term to describe a person from Luxumbourg LOL), I would pick Russian every time because I don't need a life of luxury but I need the pride of knowing that my country can be militarily submitted by no one.
Hendrik_2000
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What do you know it is O frame boiler after all
8 additional aircraft sounds too massively inflated to be realistic given this ship is the same displacement as CV-16. Maybe a couple more aircraft, one of which could be additionally spotted on the flight deck compared to CV-16. And by additional aircraft I mean possibly only an additional helo, and not necessarily an additional J-15.
Regardless of whatever difference there is between full and maximum speed, 29-32 knots is not a cruising speed for the Liaoning or Kuznetsov. Warships typically cruise at 18-20 knots representing the best compromise between fuel spent and time spent.
China will never have true sovereignty as long as another country can take that sovereignty away. It learned that lesson painfully over the span of a hundred years as it withered under Western imperialism/colonialism. This lesson was reinforced by the US military's shockingly rapid annihilation of the Iraqi military in 1991 and its inability to respond to USN's deployment of 2 CBGs to waters near Taiwan during the 1996 Straits crisis. All this has served to propel China into a comprehensive military modernization that has been bearing fruit only in the last decade or so. This modernization has been stupidly (and probably rhetorically) questioned by people like Bush, Rumsfeld and co. I remember watching a speech given by Rummy asking why China is modernizing its military (in ominous tones of course), only to be destroyed during Q&A by a US Army lieutenant(?) asking why is it not China's right to acquire the ability to defend itself from other countries, including the US. He had no good answer to give to this officer.
manqiangrexue
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Wonderful response! Nothing worth having is ever given away and you never truly own anything that you cannot take by force. What good is a prosperous economy if you don't have the military power to defend it against someone who can invent any number of reasons to rob it from you piece-by-piece? In my opinion, the biggest reason to fervently develop a large economy is so that it can support a powerful and expensive military. Other than that, it's just a matter of having a little more or less stuff around the house; who cares?
Because the security the US has hitherto provided to china is incidental to the US protecting a global system where its own position as the hegemon in the west pacific is secure and it uniquely benefiting economically from its post WWII position as the lone superpower in the system of world trade and finances. This position is sustainable so long as the US remain by far the largest developed economy.
China's ambition is to become a fully developed nation so that its citizens on average enjoy a fully industrialized standard of living. Because China's population is 4.5 times that of the US, in order for china to become fully developed its economy per force will become much larger than those of the US. The US can not remain a credible hegemon in west pacific, or the lone superpower, or even the leading superpower, should Chinese economy become comparable to the US economy in technological and industrial sophistication and percapita productivity.
Therefore by default if china were to become fully developed, the system which had benefited American since the end of WWII and which America had defended and only incidentally facilitated China's initial rise from 1979 to,circa 2008, would be overthrown.
Since 1989, the singular characteristic of American relationship with china had been that even as American seeks to maximize the economic benefit of trade relation with china, America could not reconcile itself to the form of society and government china has adopted. It is not what china and the chinese government does, but what the china and the Chinese government is, that America can not reconcile itself to. Therefore, china does not believe there is any hope that through its actions it can mollify American concerns about Chinese rise. China believe American will be inflexibly hostile to any china whose average citizens threaten to approach American standard of living and hence whose country, by virtue of its larger population, must surpass America in total economic power.
This is why china feels it is not plausible for china to to attain the level of development comparable to America's without first attaining a level of military power sufficient to deter America from committing itself to forstalling that development by subverting China's government or territorial and resource interests.
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