CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

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danielchin said:
cjbdy has been shut down until 4/25 (for some political posts?), maybe there's a reason for that specific date... :)
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Strange ... Is this since some time; I cannot get access already since about one week ! :(
 
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I commended Henri K when he make mistake he said so with straight face. some of the forummer here can learn lesson from him
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It should be noted that our previous analysis that it is difficult for the Chinese to put their second aircraft carrier, currently under construction at the Dalian shipyard in the north of the country, on the 68th anniversary of the navy Chinese, turns out to be too pessimistic (not to say false ...).

Indeed, on Sunday, April 23rd, the hold of the new Chinese aircraft carrier Type 001A , measuring more than 300 meters in length and moving nearly 60,000 tons, began to fill with water from 9:00 am.

Although this is not considered technically a launch, the photos taken by a Dalian spotter show that part of the hull is already in the water. The second Chinese aircraft carrier should leave the hold in the next few days.

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It is easy to see the difference in the island between the 16 Liaoning - transformed by the Chinese from the unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier Varyag - and its new sistership. According to a former technical officer of the Chinese navy, the engineers of the naval group CSIC also reviewed the internal design of the Type 001A to rectify the " anomalies " noted after intensive use for nearly five years of Liaoning . We will be back to these changes soon.

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The island of the aircraft carrier 16 Liaoning

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The island of the second Chinese aircraft carrier

Meanwhile, Liaoning aircraft carrier continues its training campaign in Bohai Bay. A new area of 250 km in length and 50 km in width was created near the Xingcheng Carrier Pilot Training Center, a zone prohibited from unauthorized navigation.

The Liaoning left its base near Qingdao on March 20 to begin a series of Full Scale maneuvers in the East China Sea and then in Bohai Bay for 16 days (see our file "
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"). It is assumed that the new campaign that took place from April 20 to 22 was dedicated to the certification of new pilots of J-15 and LSO.

We are waiting, of course, for official communications to confirm this hypothesis.

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The closed area for the Liaoning aircraft carrier training.

In the meantime, the fact that the second Chinese aircraft carrier is put on the air before the end of April this year reinforces our calculation that it will be delivered to the Chinese navy by 2019, an important year and above all very symbolic knowing that the People's Republic Of China will celebrate its 70th anniversary.

Main Milestones STOBAR Type 001
(16 Liaoning), Dalian STOBAR Type 001A
Dalian CATOBAR Type 002
Shanghai
CV 16 General Conception Completed in 2007 Started in early 2012
CV 17 Initial technical design Completed in March 2015 (?)
CV 17 Review made in July 2015
CV 16 Detailed technical design Completed in June 2008
CV 16 Signature of the contract with the shipyard March 2009
CV 16 Industrial Process Design Completed in 2nd semester 2009
CV 17 Cutting sheet metal 28 August 2013
CV 17 Construction of sections Started in January 2014
CV 17 Laid down 10 March 2015
CV 16 Arming of enclosed compartments Completed at the end of 2009
Offshore End of April 2017
CV 16 Pond tests Started in 2nd half of 2010
CV 16 Testing at sea Started on August 10, 2011
CV 16 Admission to active service 25 September 2012 Prev: September 2019
 
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here's what DefenseNews has to say:
China set to launch second aircraft carrier
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China’s second aircraft carrier, but its first locally built, has been floated off its dry dock, and its formal launch appears imminent, even as the country continues development work on other aspects of its carrier program.

The floating of the ship began on the morning of April 23 with a small ceremony, which also likely served to commemorate the 68th anniversary of the founding of China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy, or PLAN. Recent photos show that the hull and superstructure of the ship have been fully painted; however, the ship, which is rumored but not confirmed to be named Shandong, has yet to be officially launched.

The new carrier is based closely on the PLAN’s sole operational aircraft carrier, Liaoning, with an angled flight deck and a ski jump for short takeoff but arrested recovery, or STOBAR, operations. The most significant change from the Liaoning would, however, be the reconfiguration of the phased array radar panels, with those on the new ship facing diagonally outward on both sides of bridge fore and aft.

There have also been suggestions the new carrier’s hangars have been reconfigured for more efficient below-deck aircraft storage, although this is not confirmed. Chinese news portal Sina had previously reported that the ship will have an aircraft capacity of 28-36 aircraft split between Shenyang J-15 fighters and helicopters, which is the same as that of the Liaoning.

The Liaoning was the Soviet-era Kuznetsov-class carrier Varyag acquired by China in a semi-finished state in the late 1990s, refurbished and recommissioned into the PLAN in 2012. It has since conducted several at-sea cruises, which included air operations with J-15s and helicopters.

Euan Graham, director of the International Security Program at Australia’s Lowy Institute, told Defense News that the use of STOBAR for its second carrier would indicate that any improvements in capability would likely be incremental, adding that the Liaoning and the new carrier will “remain essentially training vessels,” although “the existence of a second carrier will give China much greater time at sea, and hence significantly boost the learning curve."

Meanwhile, photos have emerged of the mock-up of the aircraft carrier at China’s dedicated naval research and testing facility in Wuhan, Hubei province, showing a new mast and housings for radar arrays fitted on the superstructure. The mock-up had its ski jump removed in early 2016 for what is believed to be modifications for a systems and flight deck configuration test bed for China’s third aircraft carrier, which has been tentatively designated the Type 002.

The removal of the ski jump from the mock-up serves as additional confirmation of China’s plan for its carriers to be fitted with catapults for launching aircraft. As Defense News previously reported, China has built two catapults at the PLAN air base at Huludao, Liaoning province, where its J-15s are based. Satellite photos show both catapults being used on separate occasions to launch J-15s and what appear to be a UAV.

Fitting catapults will enable the PLAN to operate heavier aircraft from its future carriers, creating more well-rounded air groups that include airborne early warning and carrier onboard delivery aircraft, exponentially improving the capability of the PLAN’s carrier forces and the types of missions it can carry out.
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Deino said:
This image is interesting ...

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Deino, that's a picture of the Liaoning years ago. You can see the rotating array of the Liaoning, which the 001A doesn't have.

Edit: You can compare it with the first picture of this post. Note the ordnance chute of the 001A is installed but it is absent from the Liaoning at that point in time.
 
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